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So let's talk about Saban's tree.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:39 pm
His coaching tree that is.
1st how long does one need to coach under another to be considered the latter's tree?
Once that's figured out who's in the tree?
Muschamp? But he also coached under Mack Brown. Which tree?
Derek Dooley: UT coaching legend, just edged out Botch as my favorite UT head coach.
Jimbo Fisher
Coach Mac? He wasn't under Saban for too long was he? 3 years?
Mark Dantonio
Kirby; no doubt about this one.
So who's the best now? I guess Jimbo at this point.
Who do you predict will finish being the most successful?
ETA: The Doolander.
1st how long does one need to coach under another to be considered the latter's tree?
Once that's figured out who's in the tree?
Muschamp? But he also coached under Mack Brown. Which tree?
Derek Dooley: UT coaching legend, just edged out Botch as my favorite UT head coach.
Jimbo Fisher
Coach Mac? He wasn't under Saban for too long was he? 3 years?
Mark Dantonio
Kirby; no doubt about this one.
So who's the best now? I guess Jimbo at this point.
Who do you predict will finish being the most successful?
ETA: The Doolander.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 8:00 am
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:42 pm to G8RnGA
The resurrection of Joey Freshwater will go down as even greater than the bama return to dominance.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:43 pm to G8RnGA
Fisher has the ring, but honestly I think Dantonio is a superior coach. Michigan State, sandwiched between Michigan and OSU as they are, is a very tough place to win consistently.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:44 pm to G8RnGA
No, let's don't.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:48 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Fisher has the ring, but honestly I think Dantonio is a superior coach. Michigan State, sandwiched between Michigan and OSU as they are, is a very tough place to win consistently.
I guess the question is does 5 years as a position coach outweigh 2 years as a DC? Does he 'belong' to Saban or Tressel?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:03 pm to G8RnGA
Saban's tree is a bonsai. He likes to rest in its shade on long summer afternoons.
Really, you didn't see that one coming?
Really, you didn't see that one coming?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:06 pm to randomways
Well I was figuring on someone making some type of comment regarding the height of the tree itself or the lack there of.
That's all we have against the guy at this point.
That's all we have against the guy at this point.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:16 pm to G8RnGA
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Well I was figuring on someone making some type of comment regarding the height of the tree itself or the lack there of.
That's all we have against the guy at this point.
I went ahead and got it out of the way, then.
Back on topic...determining coaching trees probably needs a different paradigm than it once did. Coaching is a much more volatile profession nowadays, with less job security -- can you imagine Richt being fired with the same success (adjusted for number of games) in prior to the 1990s or so? -- and more lateral and upwards mobility. Add in the greater power of information dissemination and ability for fans/sportswriters to provide feedback, and it's just difficult to really say where a coaching tree really deserves to start branching. Some are, as in the Kirby example mentioned, pretty obvious. Most, however, come down to fairly arbitrary/highly subjective criteria.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:35 pm to G8RnGA
Fisher comes under the Bowden's.
Muschamp coached under Tuberville, Brown and Saban, but was considered a Bill Oliver protege.
Muschamp coached under Tuberville, Brown and Saban, but was considered a Bill Oliver protege.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:45 am to G8RnGA
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:49 am to hogminer
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:51 am to G8RnGA
Derek Dooley is also from the Saban tree.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:52 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Derek Dooley is also from the Saban tree
To be fair, he's from that little branch at the base of the tree whose growth was stunted and has been left for dead.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:53 am to Vols&Shaft83
Really? I guess I didn't realize that. And he's my favorite all time UT heach coach.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
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To be fair, he's from that little branch at the base of the tree whose growth was stunted and has been left for dead.
From the tree, nonetheless
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:54 am to G8RnGA
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Really? I guess I didn't realize that. And he's my favorite all time UT heach coach.
Yeah I bet he is
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:55 am to G8RnGA
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Really?
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:59 am to SummerOfGeorge
After we hired him, Saban said
"He's the one guy I was afraid that they would hire".
So whatever he says about Kirby Smart I'll take with a grain of salt.
"He's the one guy I was afraid that they would hire".
So whatever he says about Kirby Smart I'll take with a grain of salt.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:59 am to G8RnGA
I would say the following are firmly "Saban" guys
- Will Muschamp
- Jim McElwain
- Kirby Smart
- Derek Dooley
All 4 of those guys either coached with him for most of their careers or were elevated to the level where they could get a big job by coaching with him for multiple years. They also all attempted/will attempt to implement some level of his management style to their programs.
- Will Muschamp
- Jim McElwain
- Kirby Smart
- Derek Dooley
All 4 of those guys either coached with him for most of their careers or were elevated to the level where they could get a big job by coaching with him for multiple years. They also all attempted/will attempt to implement some level of his management style to their programs.
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