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re: So Bama Probably Rolls To NC Number
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:16 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:16 pm to RollTide1987
thought that was common knowledge ...
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:17 pm to RollTide1987
If you give any credence to modern era vs older eras being much more parity based, and take into consideration that Bear had 2nd and 3rd strings better than many SEC teams, and hogged the talent just to hoard it away from some foes..
Saban being that close and/or ahead in titles..actually is the more impressive resume.
Yet, in the the end, I suspect that Bear will > Saban in SEC title pct and head-to-head win pct in rivalries,etc..
Saban being that close and/or ahead in titles..actually is the more impressive resume.
Yet, in the the end, I suspect that Bear will > Saban in SEC title pct and head-to-head win pct in rivalries,etc..
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:18 pm to Bear88
John David Crow.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:18 pm to RollTide1987
Saban will never match the 13 SEC's the Bear won (12 at Bama 1 at UK), but I think he will be looked on as better if Saban gets 6 or more NC's. A lot of Bear's NC's were split although it might have been different if he'd had the BCS or current Playoff then. All of Saban's were unanimous of course so he may get the nod historically if he gets 6 or more.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:19 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
He still hasn't lost to Tennessee at Bama 
So I guess that's a plus.
So I guess that's a plus.Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:20 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Four under Saban this year. Where will that put his legacy in relation to the Bear?
Personally, I don't buy the argument that players are better, recruiting is harder, game is faster, etc... laid out today by adherents of everything today is better than yesteryear.
It was just as as hard for a coach to win back then, with slow, little players facing other slow, little players as it is today for coaches to beat other coaches with teams full of fast, big players.
They cancel out.
Today, just as then, even though we do have more strict recruiting rules and numbers, the best teams still get the best players and more of them, just like back then.
So, really, Saban needs to win 6 NC's to equal Bryant, win about a couple hundred more games and many, many, many more SEC titles before he is even in the conversation with Bryant.
Plus, he needs to have a personality. Bryant had true friends in every walk of life, from Presidents down to dooormen, and a lot of them.
Saban is just not the man that Bryant was. It's not his fault, it just isn't there.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:22 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:You have to consider this.
If you give any credence to modern era vs older eras being much more parity based, and take into consideration that Bear had 2nd and 3rd strings better than many SEC teams, and hogged the talent just to hoard it away from some foes..
Saban being that close and/or ahead in titles..actually is the more impressive resume.
Of course, you also have to consider Bryant's long term adaptability. Willingness to change the offense completely and continue to dominate. And the in-conference dominance of the 70s will never be matched by any team over a decade span. 9 SEC titles.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:23 pm to Eitla
Agree with all of the above...^^^
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:27 pm to Bear88
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Love everything Bear did and stood for but Saban is the best. It is harder to be as successful as Saban is in this day and time of CFB. Any
Bama fan who says otherwise is CRAZY.
Incorrect. Only fools think everything is tougher, better, harder, more advanced in their lifetimes.
You, your kind, your people, your type, etc... are no better than those that came before you.
You just have a small mind and can't grasp that the world is large and mankind has been around for a long time. People have always been smart, strong, intelligent, etc...
The world didn't start when you were hatched. Sorry your parents made you believe you were special.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:30 pm to RollTide1987
pretty sure Bryant had 3 by this point too.
3 in the 60s and 3 in the 70s.
overall his teams were more dominant in the 70s and but for a few losses he could have won 5 or 6 in the 70s
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Bear Bryant after 7 seasons
60-11-5 (2 national championships)
Nick Saban after 7 seasons
79-15 (3 national championships)
3 in the 60s and 3 in the 70s.
overall his teams were more dominant in the 70s and but for a few losses he could have won 5 or 6 in the 70s
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Bear Bryant after 7 seasons
60-11-5 (2 national championships)
Nick Saban after 7 seasons
79-15 (3 national championships)
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:33 pm to Eitla
Eitla:
No, it's just that coaches now days can't stock pile 120-130 players on rosters. Too much parity these days. Not taking anything away from Bear. Loved my young days of going to games and seeing him leaning on the goalposts with gameplan in hands. Good times
No, it's just that coaches now days can't stock pile 120-130 players on rosters. Too much parity these days. Not taking anything away from Bear. Loved my young days of going to games and seeing him leaning on the goalposts with gameplan in hands. Good times
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:33 pm to proudertider
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pretty sure Bryant had 3 by this point too.
3 in the 60s and 3 in the 70s.
overall his teams were more dominant in the 70s and but for a few losses he could have won 5 or 6 in the 70s
Right, great point. Bryant was -- that close to winning several more NC's than he officially won.
Hell, he lost the NC in '66 simply because Northern sportswriters wanted to prove to the South that slavery was wrong and to show George Wallace that he wasn't boss.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:33 pm to proudertider
Bear Bryant didn't have to deal with the same scholly restrictions Saban does. Dude could just steamroll out the talent
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:35 pm to Eitla
That was a long meaningless post.
There are more people and more money (even adjusted for inflation) involved in football today. More resources are devoted to recruiting and winning. It is more competitive.
There are more people and more money (even adjusted for inflation) involved in football today. More resources are devoted to recruiting and winning. It is more competitive.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:37 pm to theunknownknight
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Bear Bryant didn't have to deal with the same scholly restrictions Saban does. Dude could just steamroll out the talent
False, Coonie. Ratio wise, it's probably no different than today. Great teams get great players and monopolize the field, just like back then.
Back then, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Texas, Alabama, etc... got all the good talent and hoarded it, just like today.
Try again. Byrant's teams weren't any more stocked than other major teams of the era, not by a long shot.
If anything, even with his fame, he may have had less talent than the other really big named teams back then, due solely to the population of his recruiting area.
Are you going to fart out stuff like Bama was more stocked than Southern Cal or Notre Dame or Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State?
I'm not talking shitty little regional teams like LSU who had no national aspirations or appeal, like most Southern teams didn't, but other big time teams.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:39 pm to theunknownknight
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Bear Bryant didn't have to deal with the same scholly restrictions Saban does.
All the other head coaches in that era were playing under the same rules as he was. Just as all the head coaches in Saban's era are playing under the same rules as Saban is.
Bear Bryant had an uncanny ability to adapt. Football was going through remarkably accelerated evolution when Bryant was coaching on the sidelines. As football changed he changed with it. He won in the one platoon era as well as the two platoon. When he felt as though the times were starting to pass him by he would re-invent himself and change his philosophy. If scholarship limitations were put into place while Bryant was coaching he would have been able to adapt to them as well.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:41 pm to genuineLSUtiger
You really think they'll still make the playoffs with a loss at home in the final week to 3 loss Auburn? I guess I can still see it if Ole Miss beats MSU allowing Bama to still make the SECCG
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:43 pm to RollTide1987
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All the other head coaches in that era were playing under the same rules as he was. Just as all the head coaches in Saban's era are playing under the same rules as Saban is.
Bear Bryant had an uncanny ability to adapt. Football was going through remarkably accelerated evolution when Bryant was coaching on the sidelines. As football changed he changed with it. He won in the one platoon era as well as the two platoon. When he felt as though the times were starting to pass him by he would re-invent himself and change his philosophy. If scholarship limitations were put into place while Bryant was coaching he would have been able to adapt to them as well.
Very well put. These clowns believe that Bryant was somehow given special privileges over every other team and every other coach.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:46 pm to Eitla
Eitla:
Easy Killer. Just giving our opinions on the questions asked. No need for the name calling. Your entitled to your opinion just like we are.
Easy Killer. Just giving our opinions on the questions asked. No need for the name calling. Your entitled to your opinion just like we are.
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:47 pm to BowlJackson
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You really think they'll still make the playoffs with a loss at home in the final week to 3 loss Auburn? I guess I can still see it if Ole Miss beats MSU allowing Bama to still make the SECCG
Of course they do, if the overall skill level of teams isn't what it is today.
Have any of you ever heard the old idiom of comparing apples to oranges?
It's as if some of you actually believe, have solidly convinced yourselves, that Alabama got every break imaginable back then just as they supposedly do now.
frick NAW. They competed on just as a level field back then as they do now.
Winners always win, bra.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 9:49 pm
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