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re: SECr CFB history lesson: Arkansas has never won a National Title in football
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:43 pm to Buster Womb
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:43 pm to Buster Womb
So because Nick Saban took a picture with a trophy that means Arkansas' bogus 1964 claim is suddenly legit? 
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:44 pm to GIbson05
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The fact that Arkansas won their bowl and Alabama lost theirs did not matter as neither major poll considered bowl results in their determination of who the champion for that year was.
Funny how this one week this logic applies and the other 51 weeks of the year everyone wants to think the opposite.
Here's the thing about the 1964 National Title:
* It rightfully belongs to Alabama because it was given to Alabama
* It does not belong to Arkansas because it was never given to Arkansas
* It's a complete sham and it SHOULD HAVE been given to Arkansas but Bama benefited and Arky was the detriment of a very faulty system.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:46 pm to redeye
Btw Draconian, I'm not sure if you're being serious or trolling, but I understand why you think the AP is all that matters. College football historians have been doing it that way for a while, because it makes things easy for them, but it does not make things accurate. No one thought Alabama was the better team after the bowl games, regardless of what the AP poll said. Alabama was the AP champion, though.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You are a fool. There is a Grantland Rice NC trophy at LSU as well. They should probably just toss it since it isn't the AP.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:53 pm to redeye
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Selectors that YOU consider legit. The NCAA considers the FWAA legit, but you don't.
I'm not just making this stuff up. Read a book. There is an argument that the FWAA should be considered a major selector prior to the advent of the UPI in 1958. The UPI was a combination of United Press and the International News Service, and immediately became the 2nd "major" selector. The FWAA was the only even semi-major selector of the time that took it's final poll after the bowls were completed. Bowls were still at that time considered exhibitions, and not part of the accepted "college football season" which determined a National Champion. Bear Bryant and Alabama, having already secured #1 in both the AP and UPI, certainly did not treat their bowl game as they would have if a "National Title" was on the line.
The FWAA is a better poll than some of the truly goofball polls you see out there, and any school can claim anything they want to I guess, but you can't say with a straight face that you even have a true "spilt" title when NEITHER the AP nor the UPI named you #1.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So because Nick Saban took a picture with a trophy that means Arkansas' bogus 1964 claim is suddenly legit?
Keep going please. Its like watching a toddler tell his mom she's wrong. Its not your fault you dont understand. Your brain development just isnt quite there yet.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:53 pm to redeye
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I'm not sure if you're being serious or trolling, but I understand why you think the AP is all that matters
Are you even reading my posts?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:02 pm to Oklahomey
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The summer of 1987, Alabama honored the 1925-26, 1930, 1934 teams as national champions based on the retroactive selections
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:04 pm to The_Joker
Also if you count Arky you have to count ND's claim as well b/c the NFF named THEM #1 in 1964 despite losing a regular season game and sitting out the bowls. So don't give me this bowls proved it stuff.
So don't give me this bowls proved it stuff.This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not just making this stuff up. Read a book. There is an argument that the FWAA should be considered a major selector prior to the advent of the UPI in 1958. The UPI was a combination of United Press and the International News Service, and immediately became the 2nd "major" selector. The FWAA was the only even semi-major selector of the time that took it's final poll after the bowls were completed. Bowls were still at that time considered exhibitions, and not part of the accepted "college football season" which determined a National Champion. Bear Bryant and Alabama, having already secured #1 in both the AP and UPI, certainly did not treat their bowl game as they would have if a "National Title" was on the line.
The FWAA is a better poll than some of the truly goofball polls you see out there, and any school can claim anything they want to I guess, but you can't say with a straight face that you even have a true "spilt" title when NEITHER the AP nor the UPI named you #1.
The AP and UPI are mythical national titles and they were viewed that way even more so in '64, then they are today. When college football historians began collaborating on the internet, they needed a baseline for their work and the AP made the most sense. That's why it's considered not just the most important poll, but the only poll that ever really mattered. It was always the most recognized poll, with the UPI coming in 2nd, but it's only been in recent times that it's choices have been considered unquestionable and absolute.
And Notre Dame does share a part of the '64 title. The NCAA recognizes them, also.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Also if you count Arky you have to count ND's claim as well b/c the NFF named THEM #1 in 1964 despite losing a regular season game and sitting out the bowls. So don't give me this bowls proved it stuff.
Btw, it's ironic that you're laughing at Notre Dame's claim, because they had a loss and didn't play a bowl game, while seemingly having no problem with Alabama's claim to the title, even though they lost to a team Arkansas beat. The following year, Alabama won the title with a worse record then 3 other teams, but the AP is the boss, right?
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:25 pm to Gladius Veritas
The system was flawed therefore the best teams (champions) were screwed at times. So they have been changing rules ever since to try and get it right. Arkansas was the best team in the nation in 1964 and that in itself makes them national champs regardless of the flawed system we had then. Everyone with a brain (Drac is not included in this) will see this.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:30 pm to Tuskateer
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Arkansas was the best team in the nation in 1964
maybe they were, maybe they weren't
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and that in itself makes them national champs
No, it doesn't. The system was flawed but it was what it was. Everyone knew going into the 1964 season that the AP and UPI wouldn't consider bowl games and in that era it is undisputed that bowl games were looked at as exhibitions and a reward for a good season. This particular controversy may have changed that outlook, but that's what it was at the time it happened.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:31 pm to CapstoneGrad06
And LSU's best team in years lost to Arkansas in Death Valley only to back into the NC game.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
and this will have no bearing on Saturday but I hope it makes you feel better
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:33 pm to Arkiebarkie
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And LSU's best team in years lost to Arkansas in Death Valley only to back into the NC game
and finished #1 in the AP, the Coaches, and your precious FWAA
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:34 pm to Latarian
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and this will have no bearing on Saturday
I've already said I think Arkansas has a great shot of winning on Saturday.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Arkansas is a track and field type of program tbh.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:37 pm to Arkiebarkie
No need to argue Drac. Facts are Arkansas was the only undefeated team. Common sense eludes you and I know you are just using a big stick to stir so it's ok.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:38 pm to CBandits82
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The quintessential middle of the road, stepping stone school.
If Arky's a stepstone, than Burt crushed it.
Burt is fat
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