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re: SEC Total Defense through 3 weeks
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:27 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:27 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Don't even use that excuse. A truly great defense rotates players constantly except for MLB and FS.
We rotate. What's your point? Mine is that the stats are padded due to them keeping their starters and rotation guys in. Mainly 1s and 2s.
Do you have a problem with them leaving them in? I don't.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:29 am to darkhorse
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It's simple. Was Welter on the field?
Welter and Beckwith are battling for the MLB spot, they are getting equal reps to determine the starter going into conference play. Welter is garbage and needs all the reps he can get anyways.
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Was Robinson on the field?
He missed the 1st game of the year and hasnt started a game all season, he needs reps.
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Yes.... was Collins? YEP
Our #3 CB, big deal.
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Nope... You are wrong.
No, you said exactly that, that our starting defense played for entire games or most entire games against ULM and SHSU. You apparently didnt understand the concept of a rotation until about 30 minutes ago.
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You never pulled your rotation.
Except we played plenty of 3rd string guy you idiot, they recorded stats even. Sorry you dont realize who is a 3rd teamer and not, once again, not my problem you dont have a clue what you're tlaking about.
I dont see why there's so much sand in your vagina about this, MSU had some starters on the field in the 4th quarter against UAB.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:30 am to darkhorse
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Which one starts? Robinson or Collins? Simple question.
Collins is starting due to disciplinary reasons on Robinson, who is our #1 CB. Do I need to keep explaining this?
#1 Robinson
#2 White
#3 Collins
#4 Thomas
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No
Yes, we had plenty of 3 team guys play in both games, sorry you cant recognize them.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:45 am to thunderbird1100
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On the last drive by ULM the only "starters" who recorded any statistics are normally backups that started that particular game due to either starters being out (Kwon Alexander and Lamar Louis) or the starter didn't "start" due to disciplinary reasons (Robinson). The majority of players playing at that point are (normally) 2nd and 3rd stringers.
Who got the stats? Now, you just admitted it.
Define backups? Do you mean your normal rotation?
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Cain, Tyler rush for loss of 2 yards to the ULM18 (Jalen Collins).
Listed as starter.. but he's a steady 2. first play
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Thomas, Pete rush for 2 yards to the ULM20, out-of-bounds (Ronnie Feist;Deondre Clark)
Clark listed as 2. Feist is listed as a 3. Second play
3rd play.. Collins and Clark. Both 2s
4th play.. Robinson and Riley. a 1 and 2.
5th play.. Collins.. 2
6th... riley and beckwith... 2s Riley started this game.
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MSU @ USA...
James.. 3
John Harris not listed on our 3 deep.
Cleveland.... listed as a 3
B. Wells, not listed in 3 deep... Freshman.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:54 am to thunderbird1100
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Welter and Beckwith are battling for the MLB spot, they are getting equal reps to determine the starter going into conference play. Welter is garbage and needs all the reps he can get anyways.
That's not the point, and you know it.
Those are 1s and 2s on the field man. You just stated it again.
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He missed the 1st game of the year and hasnt started a game all season, he needs reps.
Great! It's not an issue for me. Not and issue for MSU.
Get all the reps your 1 and 2s need. It may end up being the best thing Les did.
Doesn't change the fact of stats being padded.
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Our #3 CB, big deal.
Could have sworn the listed provided by your fellow fan lists Collins as a starter. Then you demoted him to a 2. Now he's a 3?
All I know is he evidently was better than your 2 if he is a 3... cause he started!
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No, you said exactly that, that our starting defense played for entire games or most entire games against ULM and SHSU. You apparently didnt understand the concept of a rotation until about 30 minutes ago.
Nah. You are now trying to split more hairs.
It's real simple. Were your 1s and 2s on the field vs ULM for the whole game?
When did they come out for the SH game?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:55 am to darkhorse
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Feist is listed as a 3.
Thanks, so you finally admit we did not play our 1s and 2s all game. Good talk
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:00 am to thunderbird1100
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Thanks, so you finally admit we did not play our 1s and 2s all game. Good talk
HA! It's ok man. You owe nobody an excuse as to why you still had your rotation in on the last drive against ULM and why at 42-0 you still had them in vs SH.
One 3 does not erase the fact of those 1s and 2s on the field against ULM and SH at the end of the game or when the game was well in hand.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:02 am to darkhorse
quote:All you've proven is that your coaching staff sucks, but we already knew that.
Just gather some facts prior to posting. Let me help.. Southern Ms Look at the second time we took the field on defense. See the different players? 1st time on the field.. McKinney, Brown, Smith (DE who picked the pass) 2nd time... Jones,Holmes, Jefferson... Totally different defense in the game.. in the first Qt. Note our starters in the Secondary.. Love, Cox, Hughes, and Calhoun. Look at the 4th defensive stance. None are in the game. Coman and Redmond are in, and both give up some yards. Back up Jackson forces a fumble. That's how deep we went in the first quarter. Moving to the 2nd/3rd qt. Now we have Deontay Evans out there. Freshman LB Dezmond Harris. DB Cleveland etc etc.. UAB Again, 2nd defensive stand.. New players in. Let's look at the guys in on UAB's first TD.. DB.. Evans. Not a starter. DL, not starters. After they scored (13-10) State marches out the 2s on offense. Not Dak. Beginning of 3rd.. 3 play net 5 yards and a blocked punt. Starters in.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:02 am to darkhorse
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HA! It's ok man. You owe nobody an excuse as to why you still had your rotation in on the last drive against ULM and why at 42-0 you still had them in vs SH.
We had plenty of 3s on the field, who cares if a 2nd string guy or a 1st string in need of playing time is on the field whenever?
MSU had starters on the field in the 4th quarter against UAB, big fricking deal.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:07 am to TxTiger82
quote:If we remain here after AU and UF, I'll believe. As of now, all these numbers don't mean a thing.
LSU the best by a wide margin.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:11 am to darkhorse
We played 43 non starters against ULM Lol
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:12 am to Ironhead985
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All you've proven is that your coaching staff sucks, but we already knew that.
Like I said, I agree with making that call. The back up to Dak needs the reps, not Dak.
Games were won. We did not allow 2 teams to score a TD. We didn't need to keep 1s in.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:15 am to darkhorse
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Games were won. We did not allow 2 teams to score a TD. We didn't need to keep 1s in.
Looks like the 1's werent doing very well against UAB anyways, amirite?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:15 am to thunderbird1100
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We had plenty of 3s on the field, who cares if a 2nd string guy or a 1st string in need of playing time is on the field whenever?
You had plenty of 1s and 2s. They made a lot of good plays. Those plays went into the stat book. Thus padded stats.
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MSU had starters on the field in the 4th quarter against UAB, big fricking deal.
LOL! Ok. So UAB is your go to? Got it.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:27 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:29 am to thunderbird1100
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Looks like the 1's werent doing very well against UAB anyways, amirite?
They did fine.
You know what was really great? We got to put some subs in starting with the second offensive possession. Dak didn't need the reps, but Williams did.
Also, we got our 2s in all at once in the first quarter. We need them to go out and win for us. They got a 3 and out.
At the beginning of the 2nd quarter, Yeah a 3 guy gave up a huge pass play.
Like I said.. I have no issue with padded stats. Evidently your coach thinks your 1s and 2s need more PT and reps to get ready for conference play.
MSU's felt like we need our didn't.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:49 am to BGSB
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We played 43 non starters against ULM Lol
Don't play with numbers. Outside of your rotation guys. Either ESPN and the NCAA and LSUsports are all wrong or they are NOT! Which is it?
Accord to them.. You had your rotation guys in with a few 3s. All but 1 stat in ULM's last drive went to 1 and 2s.
But let's talk about the other part of thos MASSIVE stats that are padded. You got them on:
Sam Houston. Can you tell me what they rank in passing and in rushing? I can't find it on the d1 in the NCAA.org stats.
ULM.. They are ranked like 107th in offense. 11th in passing. 106th.
Wisconsin.. Wow.. 108 in passing and 37th in rushing.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 4:24 am to darkhorse
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We have an elite secondary.
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Based on?
Shutting down your vaunted passing attack two years in a row? Freshman 168 pound DB shutting down your 200+ pound 1st round WR? And he is not even starting? A rotation that is 3 deep with no discernible drop off? Probably 8 potential first and second round draft picks in the rotation? (Mills, White, Robinson, Adams, Paris, Thomas, Jefferson, Collins)
Opponents passing efficiency is 59.5; completion percentage is 40.2; zero passing TDs given up and only 94.3 passing yards per game.
Any more questions little fellow? I know aTm fans wouldn't know an elite defensive unit if they shut them down right in front of their faces. Take it from a DBU fan, this secondary is elite and very deep!
Edit: Sorry aTm fans, I thought this was an aTm fan when I responded. Is that really an MSU fan talking smack to LSU fans? Amazing! Obviously they don't teach history over there. Bow down and be quiet. Go sit at the kiddies table, this conversation is for grown folks.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 4:41 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 5:35 am to justustm2
Just ignore darkhorse guys, he has a sugar imbalance and when he doesnt get his morning cereal he gets cranky. He's gotta have his Pops.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 5:40 am to justustm2
Unfortunately for you The game is this Saturday 
All of your worries will come true
All of your worries will come true
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