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re: SEC refs miss blatant penalty on final play of AU-USCe

Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:44 pm to
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Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:46 pm to
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Had it been twelve men on the field and not called I get being upset. The number on a jersey is meh


Oh come on! It was not a blatant penalty, but had the roles been reversed you cannot honestly say you wouldn't be wondering "what if..." this morning.
Posted by auburnphan23
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:47 pm to
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DawgsLife
And Georgia is proof that a bogus call from the referees can go in your favor and you can still lose. The referees gave Aaron Murray credit for a touchdown he really didn't score in the Auburn game last year and Georgia still lost
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:49 pm to
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And Georgia is proof that a bogus call from the referees can go in your favor and you can still lose. The referees gave Aaron Murray credit for a touchdown he really didn't score in the Auburn game last year and Georgia still lost




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auburnphan23


Oh why oh why must you.

Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:49 pm to
Wonder all you want. The point is the penalty itself had no effect on the outcome like some here are alluding. Mostly bammers who are trying to deflect sec refs just mysteriously gifting TDs off of missed face masks and mysteriously letting clocks run out.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:53 pm to
that no call was the best no call ever. It had nothing to do with the outcome, and gave no one an advantage.
Posted by MaroonNation
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:54 pm to
Freeze pulled this same shite two years ago. Must be an Arkansas State thing
Posted by PrivatePublic
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:54 pm to
The real tragedy would have been if the call had been made and the outcome of the game changed. Rules for infractions that do not give a team an advantage should never determine the outcome of a game.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:55 pm to
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The point is the penalty itself had no effect on the outcome like some here are alluding.


It most definitely could have directly affected the outcome. You can't end the game on a defensive penalty. SCar would have gotten another shot at it. It's highly unlikely the outcome would have been different, but to say it absolutely would not have affected said outcome is idiotic.

And before you say the penalty in and of itself would not have changed the ball being batted away, it wouldn't have. The point is, had it been called, we would have had another opportunity to try.
Posted by auburnphan23
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:57 pm to
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Oh why oh why must you
Just to give the Georgia fan some hell. In fact, it is sort of funny that Georgia, Alabama, and Missouri fans are whining about this call, yet those are all teams that have proven you can still lose even if a bogus call from the referees goes in your favor.

I have already mentioned the Georgia call. Replays showed that Missouri's first touchdown pass to DGB in last year's SEC championhip game against Auburn really hit the ground and should have been ruled incomplete. Missouri lost the game anyway. Replays also showed the referees missed a facemask penalty against Alabama in the Ole Miss game this year that caused an Ole Miss player to fumble and led to an Alabama touchdown. However, Alabama went on to lose the game as well
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 12:59 pm to
Even if it was called it would've been difficult for SC to win. We would have had to complete a hail mary and that article mentions that Spurrier would have gone for 2 anyway. Those 2 plays would have made pulling out a W extremely difficult. Sucks we didn't get a chance though.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:05 pm to
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Sucks we didn't get a chance though.


This.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:06 pm to
Auburn just can't stop cheating
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:09 pm to
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Sucks we didn't get a chance though.
Understandable. I'd feel the same way in your shoes. I don't think I would feel cheated, but I would certainly having lingering thoughts about "what if."
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:10 pm to
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that no call was the best no call ever. It had nothing to do with the outcome, and gave no one an advantage.


It was illegal .... that's not gray area, it's black and white.

Illegal. Here, I'll define it for you:

il·le·gal
i(l)'leg?l/
adjective
1.
contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
"illegal drugs"
synonyms: unlawful, illicit, illegitimate, criminal, felonious

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It is not uncommon for NCAA teams to have duplicate numbers, with an offensive player having the same number as a defensive one—this is allowed as long as both players are not on the field at the same time. Usually, one of the players will be a reserve who rarely plays, but this is not always the case: for example, the 2005 Texas Longhorns team had two key players who both wore #4: wide receiver Limas Sweed and linebacker Drew Kelson. The 2007 USC Trojans team had two key players who both wore #10: quarterback John David Booty and linebacker Brian Cushing. The 2008 Missouri Tigers both had key players wearing #1: safety William Moore and running back Jimmy Jackson. In the same season, the Alabama Crimson Tide had four numbers shared by two players each. In the 2009 season, the Ohio State Buckeyes roster also had numerous duplicate numbers: quarterback Terrelle Pryor and cornerback Malcolm Jenkins both wore #2, and running back Daniel Herron and linebacker Marcus Freeman both wore #1,[6] while USC had both running back C. J. Gable and safety Taylor Mays wearing #2. At Texas, both safety Earl Thomas and quarterback Colt McCoy both wore #12. In 2010 at the University of Illinois, both quarterback Nathan Scheelhaase and linebacker Martez Wilson wore #2. In 2012, Notre Dame starting linebacker and team captain Manti Te'o and starting quarterback Everett Golson both wore #5. In 2013, Virginia Tech runningback JC Coleman and defensive end Ken Ekanem both wore #4.


Perhaps the most interesting use of duplicate numbers was at South Carolina. Both cornerback Stephon Gilmore and quarterback Stephen Garcia wore #5. However, Gilmore also has played quarterback for the Gamecocks, usually in the wildcat formation. During the annual end of season derby, Head Coach Steve Spurrier effectively rotated Garcia and Gilmore at the quarterback position, confusing the Clemson defense (and many fans). Because Garcia and Gilmore were never on the field at the same time, it was perfectly legal.


That last little part, and the subsequent crying to the NCAA rules committee by Dabo Swhiney, led the the following rule change prior to last season ....

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7. Changing jersey numbers during a game


If a team wants to use a player at different positions during the game, and the player needs to change jersey numbers, the player must report to the referee who will in turn announce the change. In addition, two players who play the same position at different times in the game may not wear the same number during the game. For example, two quarterbacks may not both wear No. 12.


Source: USA Today https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/08/11/college-football-2013-rules-changes-to-watch-for/2640199/




Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:13 pm to
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The real tragedy would have been if the call had been made and the outcome of the game changed. Rules for infractions that do not give a team an advantage should never determine the outcome of a game.



So, in essence, what your incredibly ignorant arse is saying, is trying to convince the rest of us of ... is that numbers should be thrown-out, they don't matter, and everyone on the team should be allowed to wear the same number, correct?

Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:15 pm to
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Understandable. I'd feel the same way in your shoes. I don't think I would feel cheated, but I would certainly having lingering thoughts about "what if.


Only if we hadn't choked away the UK and Mizzou games and we were still at the top of the East. But we did choke them away so I had no hope going into the AU game.

AU is just a nut we haven't been able to crack.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:16 pm to
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Sucks we didn't get a chance though.


Yes it does. Simply because the refs are paid a lot of money to get it right, and they do most of the time these days thanks to instant replay ... but they still manage to not get it right far too often.

No one is perfect but we expect more from the refs, especially in blatant situations such as this one.

Still yet, I will continue to say that what lost us the game last night were the two turnovers and the porous defense, plain and simple.

It was a helluvan entertaining game though.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:17 pm to
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is that numbers should be thrown-out, they don't matter, and everyone on the team should be allowed to wear the same number, correct?


Again, Auburn had no advantage on the play. Is that too complicated for your ancient arse to comprehend?
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