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re: Saban: The thought of retirement terrifies me
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:11 am to ksayetiger
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:11 am to ksayetiger
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I get that argument. But I knew the sabans well enough 15 years ago that I knew he spent very little time with his family.
Ol Terry is very happy being the rich wife I might add
I know many families that operate this way, only problems I have seen has been when there is a cheater.
My dad probably outworks Saban and is 78, so it seems normal to me. He has no plans to sell his business or retire anytime soon. When you have a career that allows you to operate independently and do what you want(because you have the money and are the boss) work at that age is easy but also is a necessity to keep your mind right
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:19 am to NYCAuburn
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My dad probably outworks Saban and is 78, so it seems normal to me. He has no plans to sell his business or retire anytime soon. When you have a career that allows you to operate independently and do what you want(because you have the money and are the boss) work at that age is easy but also is a necessity to keep your mind right
People working this hard is a bit analogous to ultra-marathon runners to me. If you keep after it and only have small periods of slight lulls in efforts, then you'll be fine to finish 100+ miles (as long as you're properly trained/prepared), but even those who are trained/prepared can't stop for extended periods or the body will shut down. If you run for 65 miles and try to stop for an hour or so, your body starts to shut down. If you'd just kept going - even at a slower pace - you'd have been able to finish the race.
Saban and, it sounds like, your dad are the same way. If they keep working hard with some small non-extended periods of slower pace (not stopping), then they can keep going for a long time. If they stop all together, they'll start to shut down quicker than they otherwise would have. My opinion on it any way.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:29 am to bamasgot13
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Saban and, it sounds like, your dad are the same way. If they keep working hard with some small non-extended periods of slower pace (not stopping), then they can keep going for a long time. If they stop all together, they'll start to shut down quicker than they otherwise would have. My opinion on it any way.
That is exactly what happened to Bryant. He coached his last game, retired, and died within a month.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:31 am to 14&Counting
Auburn and LSU fans ran to this thread like moths to a flame, the fear and anger that Saban has caused with those words is palpable. Especially from Drac Sanctions and Bowl, it's delicious to see
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:46 am to 14&Counting
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No but you show up in every Saban retirement thread lecturing us about the inevitable fall
this is sort of true. I find it interesting looking at different coaches and when their return start to diminish. For the "good but not great" coaches like a Les Miles it seems like very late 50's early 60's is when the game passes them by and they are unable to adapt. For those who do adapt, the true greats, it tends to buy them 6 or 7 years of extended relevance or so (roughly).
It's just an interesting subject.
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and clucking about how the cracks are showing
You must be thinking of someone else bc i don't think cracks are showing yet.
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There is no evidence whatsoever that Saban is slowing down anytime soon.
Well the evidence would be history of other all time great coaches. Even across all sports the oldest you see is usually late 60's. I think the Marlins manager was in his early 70's.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:47 am to Frac the world
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the fear and anger
Y'all keep saying this but I still don't know what it means
Like what is there to be afraid of? What Nick Saban does is not impacting my life one iota Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It's just an interesting subject.
I agree with you that coaching a big time program in college or professionally is a killer gig. It will burn you out eventually. Despite the money you can make, you typically have a short window. Fans and owners are increasingly impatient and demand results. Saban is a rare breed who seems to embrace it and thrive off it. Billechik is another....I believe he is the same age as Saban. So is Pete Carroll. However, we all see what happens when some coaches stay longer than they should. Paterno and Bowden are good examples.
He has Bama organized like a corporation of which he is the CEO so that makes it considerably easier on him and he can think more strategically about the game, direction of the program, and is years ahead of the curve on recruiting.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:03 am to 14&Counting
I don't think Saban would ever go through what Paterno did in the early 00's, when they had like 3 losing seasons in 5 years or whatever it was. I just don't think it's reasonable to expect him to keep churning out 12 wins or more every single year for too much longer, just because it's never happened before. Now maybe medical technology has improved to the point where he can keep going better than coaches of yesteryear could, i don't know, maybe he could go to Europe to get one of those Kobe blood transfusions or something
But there does seem to be something about that late 60's mark that is the point where it slips. I'm not sure if it's the grind, or being so far removed from the age of the players you're coaching that you can't reach them anymore or what.
But there does seem to be something about that late 60's mark that is the point where it slips. I'm not sure if it's the grind, or being so far removed from the age of the players you're coaching that you can't reach them anymore or what.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:17 am to Draconian Sanctions
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it seems like very late 50's early 60's is when the game passes them by and they are unable to adapt. For those who do adapt, the true greats, it tends to buy them 6 or 7 years of extended relevance or so (roughly).
I get Les Miles as an obvious reference point for the first part of this quote, but who are some examples you can cite of those who adapted and it bought them 6 or 7 more years? Also, how do the resumes prior to adapting compare to the resume of Saban prior to adapting?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:40 am to bamasgot13
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I get Les Miles as an obvious reference point for the first part of this quote, but who are some examples you can cite of those who adapted and it bought them 6 or 7 more years? Also, how do the resumes prior to adapting compare to the resume of Saban prior to adapting?
Well Bear is a perfect example. The game had started to pass him by by 1968. Went through a few "down" seasons and retooled with the wishbone.
Spurrier is kind of a weird one bc he ended up at a smaller school but you saw when he kind of stalled out a little bit at USCe in the late 00's he changed his style of coaching (which he had already done when going to USEe in the first place), giving his QBs a little more freedom and it worked out for him.
Darrell Royal and Woody Hayes, while on the younger end, both went through hiccups in the middle of their careers before retooling later to even greater success then they had before.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:16 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Well Bear is a perfect example. The game had started to pass him by by 1968. Went through a few "down" seasons and retooled with the wishbone.
Look at Bear's record in the 70's. That's not 6-7 years. That's a decade. Also, he didn't start to lose it at the end. He went 27-8 in his final three years with 4 of those loses coming in the final season. He died at 69 years old (and he was an old 69). Saban will be 66 this season and he's a young 66.
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Spurrier
Was never driven like Saban is and, honestly, he was at USCe at the end. If he was at Florida at the end he may have been able to maintain closer to his standards.
Saban may fall off the map at some point, but there is nothing about HIS resume or personality that seems to indicate it is possible, and based on his personality and resume I wouldn't really compare him to anyone else.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:19 am to bamasgot13
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Saban may fall off the map at some point, but there is nothing about HIS resume or personality that seems to indicate it is possible
So you're saying you expect Saban to keep winning at this clip into his late 70's/early 80's? Even though there is absolutely no precedent for such a thing in any sport ever?
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you're saying you expect Saban to keep winning at this clip into his late 70's/early 80's?
No. Not at all. I'm saying I expect Saban to coach another 6-8 years and for every one of those seasons to be 10+ win seasons. I expect him to win another 1-3 titles in that 6-8 years. I then expect him to retire in his mid 70's and the program to be handed off to his replacement in better shape than any program has ever been handed off to any replacement in the history of college football.
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Even though there is absolutely no precedent for such a thing in any sport ever?
What he's done the past 10 years at Bama has no precedent. Why do you want to put precedent as a limitation on him moving forward?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:30 am to bamasgot13
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No. Not at all. I'm saying I expect Saban to coach another 6-8 years and for every one of those seasons to be 10+ win seasons. I expect him to win another 1-3 titles in that 6-8 years.
We're not even really disagreeing that much. He'll be 66 this year. Between then and when he turns 70 i would put no limitations on what he can do and wouldnt expect any dropoff. That's 5 years. Then yeah after that i'd expect 3 or 4 years of relative "decline", yet still solid by most standards. 9-4, 10-3 type seasons.
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What he's done the past 10 years at Bama has no precedent.
wrong, Rockne
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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wrong, Rockne
So one coach in all of CFB history, who coached his last game in 1930 before scholarship limitation, BCS, playoffs, TV contracts, etc. That's your precedent? Come on man. You know what I meant.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:48 am to Bench McElroy
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“As long as I feel healthy and I can do it, we certainly have every intention of trying to do it. If I felt like I couldn’t do it to the standard that I want to do it then I think that would be time not to do it. But I certainly don’t feel like that’s any time soon.”
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:54 am to bamasgot13
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That's your precedent? Come on man. You know what I meant.
people saying things like "greatest ever" or in your case "no precedent" when they really mean "in the modern era" is a pet peeve of mine.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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people saying things like "greatest ever" or in your case "no precedent" when they really mean "in the modern era" is a pet peeve of mine.
Pet Peeve aside, it's hard to compare those two for the reasons I listed and the fact that your comparison coached his last game 87 years ago. I get your point that, in theory, there is precedent, but my point is that the challenges (and opportunities) aren't comparable. Also, if that's your example, then I'd say the sample size is too small and it doesn't prove your point. On the contrary, it further proves mine - that he's such an outlier you can't make too many predictions on HIM based on anyone other than HIM.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:20 pm to bamasgot13
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that he's such an outlier you can't make too many predictions on HIM based on anyone other than HIM.
he's not such an outlier that he ceases to be a human being, though
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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he's not such an outlier that he ceases to be a human being, though
I think Saban is smarter than that.....I don't think he will suffer through sub .500 seasons if he can't measure up to his own lofty standards. I think he will coach as long as he feel like he can meet those standards and his health is good. I think the only thing that will eventually will drive him out is health or Ms. Terry's health.
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