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re: Returning SEC running backs against SEC Competition & Ranked teams
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:53 pm to LSU1SLU
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:53 pm to LSU1SLU
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He's a beast but...
LSU fans always trying to take away from what Chubb did last year.
"Chubb is good but...
He didn't have to split carries
but...his O-line was better
but...LF had to face defenses keying against the run all the time
etc. etc.
If the stats were switched around you'd be upset at UGA fans for trying to make excuses for Chubb and take away from LF.
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:33 pm to LSU1SLU
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I'm not arguing that Chubb has been better so far. I know he has. Have I yet to say LF has played better!
Then what are you arguing about?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:34 pm to dbeck
Here's a little secret you'll never hear from LSU fans. Fournette isn't even the best back on his own squad.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:37 pm to LSU1SLU
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He's a beast but didnt have to split carries like LF did once gurley got injured
For you to have a good point, Chubb would need to have an obvious more amount of overall carries, which he didnt.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:38 pm to LSU1SLU
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Sounds funny coming from UGA fans who already have anointed chubbs as second coming of Herschel Walker.
Pretty sure its a consensus that Chubb had one of the best freshmen seasons ever, so don't try to claim its a UGA homer thing.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:44 pm to djsdawg
Fournette leads the league with 4.5 EPM*
*Excuses Per Mention
*Excuses Per Mention
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:44 pm to tjv305
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Chubb is clearly the best RB in the conference right now, Henry seems to be the clear cut #2 back. LF has the talent to be as good as them , he just doesn't have the stats they have.
If stats are the only thing that determines talent, then LF will never satisfy some of you.
I'm more interested in looking back at these three in a couple years, after their college careers are done and they've been drafted.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:54 pm to wadewilson
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If stats are the only thing that determines talent, then LF will never satisfy some of you.
I'm more interested in looking back at these three in a couple years, after their college careers are done and they've been drafted.
I think stats are a crucial part of determining the quality of a running back - especially yards per carry against quality competition.
How else are we to judge these players and how they compare to each other?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:56 pm to Tuscaloosa
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How else are we to judge these players and how they compare to each other?
Sincere beliefs, apparently.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:00 pm to GoldenDawg
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Sincere beliefs, apparently.
It seems like LF has been unfairly hyped by a lot of people - to levels he will likely never be able to attain. "Once in a generation type back..." - that's a pretty strong statement. It's not his fault people proclaimed that about him.
Unfortunately, I think what we are seeing is a lot of people reaching for that and trying to make those type statements be true, even though there is nothing to this point to back that up. It reminds me a lot of the Nkemdiche talk and how Ole Miss fans will defend his hype to the bitter end - regardless of his production on the field.
They get told "Once in a generation type player", then buy into it and hype it up - and can't deal with the idea that it might not be true once we've actually seen him play.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:01 pm to DawgsLife
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Ok well how many carries did he have first 4 games vs rest of season. Or every game gurley played how many carries vs rest
He had 27 more carries than Fournette. ok?
ETA: My bad...32 more carries and 513 more yards.
How the hell can LSU fans keep argue that LF is better? A whole 32 more carries but over 500 more yards says otherwise
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:03 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Unfortunately, I think what we are seeing is a lot of people reaching for that and trying to make those type statements be true, even though there is nothing to this point to back that up.
The three toughest words to say on a sports message board: "I was wrong". Thus, some LSU fans that said LF was going to be the greatest back in college football are now making up some brand new excuses as to why LF is better than he has actually shown on the field.
Silly, but darn entertaining.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:04 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I think stats are a crucial part of determining the quality of a running back - especially yards per carry against quality competition.
How else are we to judge these players and how they compare to each other?
For all the LSU fans out there sweating, J Hills freshman season is almost identical to LF7's vs SEC competition.
Hill had a 4.77 ypc for 568 yards. LF7 had a 4.78 for 607 yards.
Hill finished his SO season with over 6.08 ypc in conference.
I believe LF7 has more ability, but it has to translate. If LF7 can get the same type of Hill production in his second year, LF7 can be something really special for his JR season.
Hill had to sit a year out.
I should edit that it was also with ODB, Landry and Mett :/
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:09 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Chubb was the better back last season,no doubt about it.LF was over hyped coming in by no fault of his own.Apparently he was the most improved player during spring practice so it will be very interesting to see round two.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:24 pm to FightinTiga
I still expect great things out of LF and would not be surprised if he had a better year. However, I don't by all of the reasons that some fans spout nor do I believe that LF has more potential.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:25 pm to Tuscaloosa
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It seems like LF has been unfairly hyped by a lot of people - to levels he will likely never be able to attain. "Once in a generation type back..." - that's a pretty strong statement. It's not his fault people proclaimed that about him.
That's why it's sad to see grown men gloating over the fact that he didn't live up to the initial hype that was thrust upon him. It is sad to see Bama fans join in on this because the young man handled his recruitment with class and has always been complimentary to Bama.
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Unfortunately, I think what we are seeing is a lot of people reaching for that and trying to make those type statements be true, even though there is nothing to this point to back that up. It reminds me a lot of the Nkemdiche talk and how Ole Miss fans will defend his hype to the bitter end - regardless of his production on the field.
LF had over a thousand yards and a 5.53 YPC. Much better than Mark Ingram in his freshman year. I guess you don't think his stats will get better, huh?
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They get told "Once in a generation type player", then buy into it and hype it up - and can't deal with the idea that it might not be true once we've actually seen him play.
He will have a breakout year and this board will be inundated with stats. Wait for it, Bubba.
One more thing. Derrick Henry does not impress me at all and I think LF is already much better than he is. The guy is a 240 pound pussy. He runs like a scat-back.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:28 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
It doesn't matter what anyone spouts,Chubb had a better year.I respectfully disagree on the potential aspect but that's just my opinion.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:49 pm to FightinTiga
True. Maybe one day we can have an honest convo about why you believe LF has more potential.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:01 pm to BlackCloud
I'm not sure why you're so angry about my response. I thought I was pretty fair in my statements. I haven't seen any Bama fans "gloating" because he hasn't lived up to initial hype. Nobody could live up to his initial hype. It's unfortunate that LSU fans perpetuated it.
Why are you trying to make this a pissing contest about Bama? For what it's worth, Mark Ingram averaged 4.41 YPC, and had 7 touchdowns against SEC Competition. He averaged 12 rushing attempts per touchdown. Slightly lower YPC, but more touchdowns and better Attempt/TD ratio. Not that any of that is even relevant. Mark Ingram came in ranked a 3* by Scout and a 4* by rivals. Completely irrelevant comparison.
Again, not sure why you're trying to make this a pissing contest about Bama, but I guess we can if you want. I don't recall any Bama fan in these 10 pages of threads beating their chest about Derrick Henry. But for what it's worth, Derrick Henry was better than Fournette in every single measurable category vs SEC competition.
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LF had over a thousand yards and a 5.53 YPC. Much better than Mark Ingram in his freshman year. I guess you don't think his stats will get better, huh?
Why are you trying to make this a pissing contest about Bama? For what it's worth, Mark Ingram averaged 4.41 YPC, and had 7 touchdowns against SEC Competition. He averaged 12 rushing attempts per touchdown. Slightly lower YPC, but more touchdowns and better Attempt/TD ratio. Not that any of that is even relevant. Mark Ingram came in ranked a 3* by Scout and a 4* by rivals. Completely irrelevant comparison.
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One more thing. Derrick Henry does not impress me at all and I think LF is already much better than he is. The guy is a 240 pound pussy. He runs like a scat-back.
Again, not sure why you're trying to make this a pissing contest about Bama, but I guess we can if you want. I don't recall any Bama fan in these 10 pages of threads beating their chest about Derrick Henry. But for what it's worth, Derrick Henry was better than Fournette in every single measurable category vs SEC competition.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:12 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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True. Maybe one day we can have an honest convo about why you believe LF has more potential.
This is the issue here. Even I've said that Chubb certainly had a better year, but that's not enough for Georgia fans. It's not acceptable for me to think that Fournette has a higher ceiling.
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