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re: Reaction to Art Briles being hired by Auburn in some capacity?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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What he did at Baylor isn't individual immorality (like Petrino), he pretty clearly looked the other way with sexual assault and rape to win football games. He unleashed, and then looked the other way, while his guys raped and pillaged the Baylor female population.
Can anyone actually connect the dots showing this happened? Because the report certainly doesn't.
Personally, I don't really like seeing Auburn get blasted by the media, so I would pass. Even if you have defenses, nobody will listen. Look at the Baylor stuff. Most of what I've read fails to connect Briles to the scandal. Nobody gives a shite, he's practically Paterno now.
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Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:43 pm to RT1941
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Gus is learning on the job, he is green as a HC.
First of all, in year four, he shouldn't still be "learning on the job".
Second, the bulk of Auburn's on-field ineptitude is on the offensive side of the ball, and Malzahn most definitely was not green in that department.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:46 pm to Pettifogger
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Can anyone actually connect the dots showing this happened? Because the report certainly doesn't.
"The investigation conducted by Pepper Hamilton law firm found "specific failings within both the football program and the athletic department leadership, including a failure to identify and respond to a pattern of sexual assault violence... ."
Looks to me like it does.
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This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:55 pm to ChexMix
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What would your reaction be
Would be shocked and disgusted. Just can't see Jacobs going down that road no matter what radio talking heads throw out there.
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how do you feel the media would view the hire?
You know how they'd view the hire, and AU or any team that went down that road would deserve every last bit of the shite thrown their way.
Once again, as much as a fricking retard JJ is, I just don't see him as the kind of guy going that route. They just had a rape victim come in before the season to talk to the team...how would that look?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:55 pm to BamaGradinTn
And here's another quote from the report:
"For anyone who still thinks these moves might be too drastic, consider this passage from the damning and long-awaited Pepper Hamilton report released today:
“In certain instances, including reports of a sexual assault by multiple football players, athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics. In those instances, football coaches or staff met directly with a complainant and did not report the misconduct.”"
So yeah, the report absolutely "connects the dots" to Briles...with a pretty damn big Sharpie.
"For anyone who still thinks these moves might be too drastic, consider this passage from the damning and long-awaited Pepper Hamilton report released today:
“In certain instances, including reports of a sexual assault by multiple football players, athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics. In those instances, football coaches or staff met directly with a complainant and did not report the misconduct.”"
So yeah, the report absolutely "connects the dots" to Briles...with a pretty damn big Sharpie.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:56 pm to BamaGradinTn
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"The investigation conducted by Pepper Hamilton law firm found "specific failings within both the football program and the athletic department leadership, including a failure to identify and respond to a pattern of sexual assault violence... ."
Looks to me like it does.
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You don't think that's kind of a conclusory statement?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:56 pm to ChexMix
Hard to say whether or not Petrino will bring him in.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:57 pm to BamaGradinTn
Again, without naming names, times, individuals involved, what was discussed and not passed on or acted on, etc.
I read the Pepper Hamilton report, BTW, that's why I'm asking. Especially in light of subsequent media (admittedly in Waco) that tries to pinpoint the allegations discussed in the report and address the factual background for them.
I read the Pepper Hamilton report, BTW, that's why I'm asking. Especially in light of subsequent media (admittedly in Waco) that tries to pinpoint the allegations discussed in the report and address the factual background for them.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:57 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Gus is learning on the job, he is green as a HC.
quote:He's had a lot of coaching turnover on his staff since he's been there, especially on defense. And this year he replaced few on the offensive side as well.
First of all, in year four, he shouldn't still be "learning on the job".
Second, the bulk of Auburn's on-field ineptitude is on the offensive side of the ball, and Malzahn most definitely was not green in that department.
They've recruited in the top 10 consistently for years, eventually all that talent will post top 10 rankings at the end of season.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:59 pm to RT1941
Any coach in year 4 is still learning on the job.
The question is whether at this point he shows enough promise to let him continue to do so. Also, whether his lack of experience at a high level has him in a position where he is having to do more OTJ learning than the average fourth year head coach.
The question is whether at this point he shows enough promise to let him continue to do so. Also, whether his lack of experience at a high level has him in a position where he is having to do more OTJ learning than the average fourth year head coach.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:00 pm to Pettifogger
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You don't think that's kind of a conclusory statement?
Sexual assault...by multiple players...football coaches meeting with victims...then not reporting the misconduct.
And you don't think the report "connects the dots" to Briles?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:05 pm to Pettifogger
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Can anyone actually connect the dots showing this happened? Because the report certainly doesn't.
ESPN Outside the Lines report clearly states Baylor coaches knew about the allegations of sexual assault and domestic violence of 5 players. That was from the Waco Police.
The schools judicial officer told one of the victims mothers that Briles knew that 6 people reported Tevin Elliott of assault.
At the very least his coaches knew, and it's very unlikely that he had no knowledge of all of this. It's theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. Even is he personally didn't have any knowledge (unlikely), his program was clearly involved. He's the CEO.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:06 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Once again, as much as a fricking retard JJ is, I just don't see him as the kind of guy going that route
Neither do I, at all
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:08 pm to Pettifogger
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Can anyone actually connect the dots showing this happened? Because the report certainly doesn't.
How can you use the PH report to say there are no connected dots when the Baylor board thought it was so damaging they asked for an oral presentation b/c they didn't even want it written down?
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:10 pm to RT1941
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They've recruited in the top 10 consistently for years, eventually all that talent will post top 10 rankings at the end of season.
Not if the coaching is incompetent...which is really the only way to describe Hand's performance the last several years. Consecutive recruiting classes ranked between #7 and #9 the last three years, and fans rightly expect those sophomores, juniors, and seniors to go better than 4-8 or 5-7, which is a very real possibility this year.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:19 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:There's still a lot of football left to be played, they can turn this around. But I agree the coaches have got to get a clue and realize adjustments need to be made pronto.
Not if the coaching is incompetent...which is really the only way to describe Hand's performance the last several years. Consecutive recruiting classes ranked between #7 and #9 the last three years, and fans rightly expect those sophomores, juniors, and seniors to go better than 4-8 or 5-7, which is a very real possibility this year.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:19 pm to Dr RC
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Can anyone actually connect the dots showing this happened? Because the report certainly doesn't.
quote:Ouch!
How can you use the PH report to say there are no connected dots when the Baylor board thought it was so damaging they asked for an oral presentation b/c they didn't even wanted it written down?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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ESPN Outside the Lines report clearly states Baylor coaches knew about the allegations of sexual assault and domestic violence of 5 players. That was from the Waco Police.
Saw it but don't recall the police source. Part of the problem is that you have increasingly politically motivated sources telling this story, and I can't help but be guarded against some of their conclusions. Texas Monthly, The Daily Beast, and bizarre as it is, ESPN. The ESPN Gameday segment should be concerning to anyone, both for the underlying conduct alleged and ESPN's willingness to let its personalities go make sweeping conclusions about subjects they have absolutely no knowledge of.
I agree with the concept that regardless of personal knowledge, sometimes the CEO should take the blunt of the blame for what happens on his watch. I don't have a problem with the Briles firing.
I do have a problem with the concept that the football program has an obligation to administer justice (or lack thereof) in a world of Title IX programs, and, of course, law enforcement. Where there is an accusation and then a woman doesn't press charges (Oakman), I am simply not sure what we expect a coach to do. To the extent Baylor coaches were the first or a significant point of contact for assault allegations, and declined to come forward with them but instead chose to handle them within the program, that would be very difficult to defend. However, I can still find no evidence or any account with any detail whatsoever of that occurring.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:27 pm to Dr RC
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How can you use the PH report to say there are no connected dots when the Baylor board thought it was so damaging they asked for an oral presentation b/c they didn't even want it written down?
Because there are zero details in the PH report? I didn't write the report or determine how it was handled, dude. Baylor probably knows more about this than all of us, and they saw fit to get rid of some high ranking folks.
My question remains whether any of us, who regularly make sweeping conclusions about specific things that did or didn't happen, can actually support those conclusions with available information.
I get a lot of sanctimony (like yours), because apparently asking for that information in an age where Title IX is above the law is somehow apologizing for rapists and God knows what else. It is, quite simply, annoying as frick. I'm not demanding someone justify why Briles was fired, I'm, gasp, asking questions.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:28 pm to Pettifogger
Well, Briles felt the need to apologize on National TV for something.
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