re: Ranking the SEC Basketball Programs

We top 10

quote:

---

I was told at one point the NIT used to be more prestigious than the NCAAT. Now I don't know the validity of this claim but I do know we have back to back NIT Championships.

---

There was a time the NIT was THE tournament....The NIT has a lot of history. The NIT was founded in 1938.

quote:

---

Nobody counts titles that occurred pre-NCAA Tournament

---

That's an interesting response from an Alabama fan.

FTR, LSU acknowledges the title as awarded them by the American Legion after beating Pitt 41-37 in a game billed as the National Championship Game.

quote:

---

That's an interesting response from an Alabama fan.

---

Not really, there is a universally accepted division of NCAA Titles in basketball as pre and post tournament. There weren't even awarding polls, as with LSU's.

quote:

---

LSU retroactively claims a national championship for the 1934–35 season, but not on the basis of any determination by an external selector or outcome of any contest purporting to determine a national champion.

---

If you want to make this into some sort of Alabama football debate have at it, but nobody's pre-tournament titles are being recognized in this listing. Just like everytime I put together a football listing I ONLY include AP National Titles.

quote:

---

I actually think its fair, but it should count against you if don't make it.

NIT = 0 points
Not making either tourny = -1 pt

---

I agree with something like this.

There certainly should be weight on actually winning trophies and making the NCAA tourney.


However, a good argument could be made that a program which has 8 winning conference seasons + NIT bids but only 2 NCAA trips over a decade has not been worse than a program that has 8 losing seasons + 2 NCAA bids where they win 1 extra tourney game over that span.

quote:

---

I don't think two seasons at UChatt is enough to separate Wade from guys like Capel and Grant

---

I do.

He really turned that program around. They were 24-40 the two years prior and he went 40-25 and posted a 22-10 record his second year which was the best at that school in like 15 years.

Then he took over VCU and had a better conference record than Shaka, similar overall record, and 2 tounry appearances. Last year they beat a higher ranked OSU and then took Oklahoma with Heild to the wire.

He's an analytics guru as well and known for his inventive play calling and stout defense.

His recruiting is the one thing I am worried about.

quote:

---

Yea, probably so, but like Kyle has said before, basketball is a post season sport. Nobody even really cares or remembers who won a conference title. All that matters is the tournament. So, while I personally think it matters because it shows how you did during the season, an argument could be made not to include it at all.

---

Nobody cares about the conference tournies either, though

If you're looking for an accurate representation of a program, the regular season is more telling than the conference tourney

quote:

---

I do agree, regular season is more important, probably should be worth 3 and tournament worth 1

---

Agreed

quote:

---

robably wouldn't change much, though.

---

Bama is going to fall on your list

quote:

---

Bama is going to fall on your list

---

7 Regular Season Titles x 3 = 21 pts
6 Tournament Titles x 1 = 6 pts
Total = 27 pts


Currently
7 Regular Season Titles x 2 = 14 pts
6 Tournament Titles x 2 = 12 pts
Total = 26 pts

So they'd actually rise 1 pt

Tennessee would go from 26 to 31, so yea I guess they'd slightly nudge past by 1.

All that confirms is that Alabama and Tennessee are dead even basketball programs, as a lot of us have always said. It's strange how close they are in almost all statistical categories.