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re: Ranking the SEC basketball coaches
Posted on 1/8/16 at 2:58 pm to AUbagman
Posted on 1/8/16 at 2:58 pm to AUbagman
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I think next season will be the best gauge for Martin, just like it will be for Pearl. Martin will lose his experienced veterans, and Pearl with have his roster depth built up in his 3rd season.
lol wut
Jones and Martin got to their programs at the same time, both messes. But Johnny is the idiot?
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Posted on 1/8/16 at 2:59 pm to tigerbait2010
When did I ever say anything about Jones being an idiot? Just wondering. 
Just call it what it is, you're high off the UK win. Jones had a terrible close to last season, and a terrible start to this one. Hell, he lost to AU twice last year, no? AU was a dumpster fire.
Just call it what it is, you're high off the UK win. Jones had a terrible close to last season, and a terrible start to this one. Hell, he lost to AU twice last year, no? AU was a dumpster fire.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:03 pm to Dustin Johnson
Anderson is too high. Like way to high
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:03 pm to AUbagman
Jones is the same as one of his coaching mentors, Mark Gottfried. Simple as that. He will win games, coach NBA players, go to NCAA Tournaments, etc. But his teams will make you want to kick puppies and will break your heart in the tournament or down the stretch.
That isn't a terrible thing. We tend to love guys who "get the most out of their guys" (Mark Fox) and finish 20-12 more than guys who sign NBA players and are inconsistent (J. Jones) and finish 20-12. It's just the way it goes. If Gottfried had kept winning 22 games and going to NCAA Tournaments he'd still be our coach (and I'd still punch walls during half our games). However, he started losing and then all bets were off.
That isn't a terrible thing. We tend to love guys who "get the most out of their guys" (Mark Fox) and finish 20-12 more than guys who sign NBA players and are inconsistent (J. Jones) and finish 20-12. It's just the way it goes. If Gottfried had kept winning 22 games and going to NCAA Tournaments he'd still be our coach (and I'd still punch walls during half our games). However, he started losing and then all bets were off.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:04 pm to AUbagman
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Just call it what it is, you're high off the UK win. Jones had a terrible close to last season, and a terrible start to this one. Hell, he lost to AU twice last year, no? AU was a dumpster fir
Jones has done a great job up until this season. I can't argue the start has been a compete disaster, but conference play is setting up very nicely for a big run. I'll let it play out before I jump off the JJ wagon
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Jones is the same as one of his coaching mentors, Mark Gottfried. Simple as that. He will win games, coach NBA players, go to NCAA Tournaments, etc. But his teams will make you want to kick puppies and will break your heart in the tournament or down the stretch.
That isn't a terrible thing. We tend to love guys who "get the most out of their guys" (Mark Fox) and finish 20-12 more than guys who sign NBA players and are inconsistent (J. Jones) and finish 20-12. It's just the way it goes. If Gottfried had kept winning 22 games and going to NCAA Tournaments he'd still be our coach (and I'd still punch walls during half our games). However, he started losing and then all bets were off.
That's fair, and as long as Jones can get LSU consistently in the NCAA tournament with a nice tournament run here and there, most fans will be just fine with that. now if someone like Pearl or Johnson could consistently get Auburn or Bama to Sweet 16's, all bets are off and LSU would shoot for better.
Tony Bennett's wife is a BR native, and he wanted the job when he was at Wazzu; not sure about now though.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:11 pm to tigerbait2010
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That's fair, and as long as Jones can get LSU consistently in the NCAA tournament with a nice tournament run here and there, most fans will be just fine with that. now if someone like Pearl or Johnson could consistently get Auburn or Bama to Sweet 16's, all bets are off and LSU would shoot for better.
Oh yea, totally agree (like I said above). And they should be.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:16 pm to Teague
Fudge brownies way too low, berry pie way too high.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:18 pm to Dustin Johnson
Jones is top 3.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:19 pm to Dustin Johnson
If Calipari is #1 because of his recruiting abilities, then Jones shouldn't be 13th.
Calipari isn't a good in-game coach.
Calipari isn't a good in-game coach.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:19 pm to dj30
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Jones is top 3.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:22 pm to BayouBengals03
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If Calipari is #1 because of his recruiting abilities, then Jones shouldn't be 13th.
Calipari isn't a good in-game coach.
Calipari is #1 because of :
603-178 (.772)
16 NCAA Tournaments
10 Sweet 16s
8 Elite 8s
4 Final 4s
3 NCAA Title Games
1 National Championship
3 SEC Championships
3 SECT Championships
5 A10 Championships
5 A10T Championships
4 CUSA Championships
3 CUSAT Championships
3 National Coach of the Year awards
3 SEC Coach of the Year awards
3 CUSA Coach of the Year awards
3 A10 Coach of the Year awards
National Basketball Hall of Fame member
Also, the greatest recruiter in the modern era of college basketball.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
if this is based purely on accomplishments, then there's really no conjecture.
I figured this thread was more of individual opinion.
I figured this thread was more of individual opinion.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:27 pm to AUbagman
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I think next season will be the best gauge for Martin, just like it will be for Pearl. Martin will lose his experienced veterans, and Pearl with have his roster depth built up in his 3rd season.
In the sense that Matin has improved USC each year he's been there, coaching up the same group of starters along the way (currently undefeated), justifies his high ranking though IMO. That's what I want out of a coach, especially in a position where you can't recruit at the highest level. It will be interesting to see how well he can transition from experienced veterans to inexperienced guys next year.
So you're saying that the best time to gauge Martin is after he loses his experienced guys, but for Pearl it will be when he gets his experienced guys.
Sounds fair....
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:27 pm to BayouBengals03
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if this is based purely on accomplishments, then there's really no conjecture.
I figured this thread was more of individual opinion.
I agree, it is, but those highest accomplishments (most of them very recent at the same place he is currently coaching) certainly influence my opinion of him. I guess that was kind of my point. He is great at recruiting but he also routinely takes those recruits to the Final Four.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Andy Kennedy is too high. He has had too many NCAA Tournmantless years compared to some of the guys below him. He has even been on the hot seat a few times.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:29 pm to c on z
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Andy Kennedy is too high. He has had too many NCAA Tournmantless years compared to some of the guys below him. He has even been on the hot seat a few times.
Yea, but they were on the cusp and he was at Ole Miss playing in a pathetic place with awful facilities and he still had them on the cusp every year. He consistently wins 20 games and has raised their bar up the last 3 years as well. I think he is a solid middle of the pack coach.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:29 pm to c on z
Bill Kennedy has also never been to the NCAA Tournament at aTm.
That will probably change this year, though.
That will probably change this year, though.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:32 pm to BayouBengals03
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Calipari isn't a good in-game coach.
Also, kind of like Saban, Cal isn't a masterful in-game tactician, but he does a great job of teaching his uber-talented kids and managing them from a team building point of view. I think that part of his coaching is often overlooked. A lot of people talk about him like he just rolls the balls out and lets them play. They don't play like that at all.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I've just always been down on Cal because I think he's just that bad in terms of game plan and in-game strategy/adjustments. But, of course, when you have that many good players, it's hard to have too much structure and continuity, because all those dudes want to show out. I guess it's a balancing act between letting them play freely and having some control.
It always makes me think of how good that 2012 team must have been to actually follow through and win it all. Obviously, his teams almost always make deep runs, so it's unfair to say they always choke in big games.
His recruiting and motivation is pretty much second to none. He's had the most talented team in the country in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2015. Just speaks to how good he is at bringing in players.
It always makes me think of how good that 2012 team must have been to actually follow through and win it all. Obviously, his teams almost always make deep runs, so it's unfair to say they always choke in big games.
His recruiting and motivation is pretty much second to none. He's had the most talented team in the country in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2015. Just speaks to how good he is at bringing in players.
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