re: Paying players?

The point is that in the process of honing their skills they are in fact, playing football. That is their profession. You do realize that every game they play is a value-rendered service in itself?

That is like saying people shouldn't be paid for their entry level jobs because it's giving them the chance to hone their skills for their late-career jobs.

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Unless you are proposing individualized salaries for players (which is the antithesis of the definition of amateur), then you are proposing some sort of per diem. And per Siens are absolutely within the purview of Title IX.

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No I'm not proposing salaries but it genuinely irks me when people being Title IX as a reason not to pay college athletes. I think a good attorney could argue this point

I think the most appropriate compensation would be a percentage of the revenue generated from the use of the players likeness and image put in trust for x amount of years after leaving the university plus full cost of attendance scholarships. If your Cam Newton you have a nice payout coming of your a walk-on long snapper, maybe not so much.

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If you really think the Anthropology Department at the University of Alabama is the same as the Athletic Department, then arguing with you is worthless. Nonetheless, thank you for your contributions.

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I'm arguing that college is not a job. You're arguing it is for certain segments, simply because they're playing a game. What the school's generate in revenue, whether from sports or academics, has NO BEARING on what students should get, other than anything pertaining to educational considerations. If they aren't happy with that, they're free to get a job.

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They get a ton out of it. More than any other students get that goes to college.

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Again, their scholarships don't cover the full cost of attendance the way some academic scholarships do.

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That is like saying people shouldn't be paid for their entry level jobs

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Players are paid.

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They get a ton out of it. More than any other students get that goes to college.

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It doesn't matter what they get out of it. While in school they produce a product and many of them are unfairly compensated for it.

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I'm arguing that college is not a job. You're arguing it is for certain segments, simply because they're playing a game. What the school's generate in revenue, whether from sports or academics, has NO BEARING on what students should get, other than anything pertaining to educational considerations. If they aren't happy with that, they're free to get a job.

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I understand what you are saying. I just think your line of reasoning ignores the social inequities that exist.

I have to go, but it has been great talking with you. Take care, and enjoy the rest of the season.

Great thread, guys. Great thread.

I will say this about the free market and people (players) getting paid what they are "worth".

I work for a large firm. My billing rate is a few hundred dollars per hour. Do I take home several hundred per hour? No. But that is what my firm bills for my services. The partners of the firm are the ones making hundreds of thousands and in some cases a million + a year, every year. They aren't the ones doing a lot of the work, it is me. I am the one busting arse and providing value, and I am paid fine, but nothing compared to those above me who in general do not work near as much or even provide as much to the client.

I see college football in much the same way. These athletes are paid. They get shitloads. They get rent and a ton of expenses paid as well as tons of academic support. If they weren't playing ball, they would be busting their arse at a sorry job barely making enough to get by with only a high school diploma. Or they would be in college (not many of them though) racking up tens of thousands in debt without the same academic support or standard of living they receive as an athlete.

They get 4 good years of college and I bet not a one would trade it to work some shitty job right out of high school which is the alternative for most.

It is always the people at the top that get the lions share of the money. You want the big money you work your way up to get it. And it often takes some luck with the hard work. For most of us that means working our way up for years in a profession and few of us ever make it to or near the top. Same for an athlete with the top being making it into the pros.

The people that built the programs for the players to work in (the universities) are the ones who get most of the money. Just like in the real world, the partners that built the firm are the ones that take in most of the money.

It is just how life works. I can see the argument for paying players, but the older I get and the more I see how life works, I do not think they should be paid. They haven't earned big money just because a university makes big money just like I haven't earned big money just because I work for a big firm that makes big money.

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Yeah, that shite really happened.

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I know it happened. I meant that isolated extraordinary incidents don't change the subject at hand.

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Tiger n Miami AU83

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I agree.