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re: Pat Dye question : What led to the gradual decline of Auburn after 1989?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:43 pm to TIGERSPIKE
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:43 pm to TIGERSPIKE
quote:Good grief I'm shocked at how old are some of you people are.
Good grief how young are some of you people?
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:46 pm to TIGERSPIKE
Coach Dye was near death at the end of that season when he resigned. You cannot tell me that staff was able to hold it together that season and only youth was the problem. Stan was a Jr. that year so we had an experienced 3rd year starter. Chris Gray was a senior and Wayne Gandy was a Jr. With all that was going on, I was shocked they didn't lose more than they did.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:48 pm to Irons Puppet
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Just like the rest of the league, Spurrier happened.
This probably was the reason more than just about anything else.
All the young kids who are too young to remember the 1990s will look at Spurrier's "accomplishments" and see that they pail in comparison to someone like Saban. But folks who can't remember it will never appreciate just the domination that Florida put forth in that era. And more so than any coach before or sense, he truly changed the game of football in the SEC.
... all while doing it at a school who had never won an SEC Title (that they were able to keep at least) prior to his arrival.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:49 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Wayne Hall was the bag man during the CPD years. And was paid by AU for years after he stopped coaching.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:53 pm to wareaglepete
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I was there during those years and I knew and talked to players. That 'he who shall not be named' crap had everything to do with the poor performance in 1992. In 1990-1991, these things were true, but that team was ready to breakout in 1992, but things went south.
Been a long time ago but seems like the NCAA thing was really eating away and taking it's toll on Coach Dye. He knew it was going to be bad. I still think it was less the NCAA than the way he was betrayed by a player that he cared about and was trying to help. I think that took a lot out of him and I have heard him state as well.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:54 pm to Herman Frisco
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Wayne Hall was the bag man during the CPD years. And was paid by AU for years after he stopped coaching.
Wayne Hall was not the bag man. You probably wouldn't recognize the individual in the Administration at Bama or AU who was. But your post proves you are FOS.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Dye only won th SEC outright twice yet he's a legend at Auburn even with him being a convicted NCAA cheat 
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:59 pm to Irons Puppet
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The system had been in place at both location and was well know by anyone close to either program. The difference was Logan Young at Bama. Everyone knew how he paid recruits families and coaches, but nobody was willing to squeal (see TN/Fulmer). The NCAA was aware of him, but Bryant protected him. As soon as they found some dirt, they hammered him/them (21 Schollys).
I'm not questioning the overall point that there were 'systems' in operation at several school (not just AU and Alabama. TennStud/Adams too). My issue is that Means wasn't paid off to sign with Bama. He was sold off by people he trusted.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:06 pm to cajunbama
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Dye only won th SEC outright twice yet he's a legend at Auburn even with him being a convicted NCAA cheat
Outright, sure. Either way he brought 4 SEC Championship trophies to the Plains, which is 3 more than what they previously had sitting in their case.
He also did the unthinkable and brought the Iron Bowl to Jordan-Hare.
I can understand why he is revered.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:14 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Oh, that wasn't me talking about it. It was your ex coach.
"Everything changed within his first week. An assistant coach from the previous staff, whom Bowden was told he had to retain, walked into his office and placed a black ledger on his desk. It was a list of players who were being paid.
This is how we do it around here, Bowden was told."
And there are plenty of sources to confirm it... LINK
Why not post the full transcript of what happened.....Bowden was just a disgruntled former coach who did too much cocaine.
This story has been told throughout the years and has almost become folklore, with too many incorrect iterations clouding reality. Auburn officials have always denied it, the NCAA could never nail it down and the statute of limitations on infractions has long since passed.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:16 pm to cajunbama
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Dye only won th SEC outright twice yet he's a legend at Auburn even with him being a convicted NCAA cheat
Only a dumbass would make a comment about winning the SEC outright. I know UFs program was pretty non-existent prior to SOS, but most of their fans at least knew what was going on. The way the SEC Schedule worked before 1992, there were many co-champions. Bama rarely played UF or UGA, AU rarely played LSU, and LSU rarely played UGA.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:17 pm to allin2010
quote:And Bowden himself refuses to comment on it publicly, claiming his remarks were off the record. Although he's more than happy to hint about it, so long as no one asks him for any documented proof.
Auburn officials have always denied it, the NCAA could never nail it down and the statute of limitations on infractions has long since passed.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:20 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:True.
My issue is that Means wasn't paid off to sign with Bama. He was sold off by people he trusted.
And neither Eric Ramsey nor anyone else was ever proven to have been paid to sign with AU. Pay for play, yes, and an illegal loan, but no recruiting violations.
The AU football program hasn't been sanctioned by the NCAA for illegal recruiting in almost 4 decades.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:21 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Sorry Puppet but you're the one that's FOS here. I know/knew Wayne so don't tell me about Wayne. He made sure that the guys on the take got paid and there weren't any problems with them....that was one of his "jobs".
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Wayne Hall was the bag man during the CPD years. And was paid by AU for years after he stopped coaching.
Wayne Hall was not the bag man. You probably wouldn't recognize the individual in the Administration at Bama or AU who was. But your post proves you are FOS.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:23 pm to Irons Puppet
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Only a dumbass would make a comment about winning the SEC outright
Consider the source.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:51 pm to coachcrisp
You don't know shite, Hall was not part of the payment system. Let's just say that person was very young. hint, hint. PS I was close to the source, so keep trying.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:52 pm to HailToTheChiz
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i like how the "gradual decline" of two years stopped right before the undefeated season
My first thought.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:03 pm to wareaglepete
The only person who has come close in this whole thread is pete.
After the 1990 season, Dye was diagnosed with chronic hemochromatosis. He underwent surgery for it in 1991. The condition causes an extremely high level of iron in the blood and that extra iron eventually gets stored in various body organs, especially the liver, heart, and the pancreas. Its a genetic condition that is hard to detect because the symptoms are varied and mock the symptoms of other conditions. That basically means that if you didn't know you had a chance to inherit it from your mom or dad, you go your whole life with your blood poisoning your organs with iron until they finally detect and diagnose it. As a matter of fact, Pat Dye's daughter has it too.
If you compared a picture of Dye in 1989 to one only 4 years later in 1993, there's a significant difference in visible physical condition.
Considering how sick he was, in retrospect I'm amazed we won 5 games in 1991 and 1992.
After the 1990 season, Dye was diagnosed with chronic hemochromatosis. He underwent surgery for it in 1991. The condition causes an extremely high level of iron in the blood and that extra iron eventually gets stored in various body organs, especially the liver, heart, and the pancreas. Its a genetic condition that is hard to detect because the symptoms are varied and mock the symptoms of other conditions. That basically means that if you didn't know you had a chance to inherit it from your mom or dad, you go your whole life with your blood poisoning your organs with iron until they finally detect and diagnose it. As a matter of fact, Pat Dye's daughter has it too.
If you compared a picture of Dye in 1989 to one only 4 years later in 1993, there's a significant difference in visible physical condition.
Considering how sick he was, in retrospect I'm amazed we won 5 games in 1991 and 1992.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:04 pm to JustGetItRight
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Link to Bama paying a recruit.
Difficulty: Albert Means never got a dime from Logan Young or anyone else associated with Alabama.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:10 pm to beatbammer
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he only person who has come close in this whole thread is pete.
After the 1990 season, Dye was diagnosed with chronic hemochromatosis. He underwent surgery for it in 1991. The condition causes an extremely high level of iron in the blood and that extra iron eventually gets stored in various body organs, especially the liver, heart, and the pancreas. Its a genetic condition that is hard to detect because the symptoms are varied and mock the symptoms of other conditions. That basically means that if you didn't know you had a chance to inherit it from your mom or dad, you go your whole life with your blood poisoning your organs with iron until they finally detect and diagnose it. As a matter of fact, Pat Dye's daughter has it too.
If you compared a picture of Dye in 1989 to one only 4 years later in 1993, there's a significant difference in visible physical condition.
Considering how sick he was, in retrospect I'm amazed we won 5 games in 1991 and 1992.
AU was semi competitive in those loses in 91-92. With the exception to UF, where Spurrier outscored AU 55-19. Dye's liver had nothing to do with that.
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