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re: Pat Dye question : What led to the gradual decline of Auburn after 1989?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
dude, they cheated their frikking arses off and after getting caught werent the same. the were only good b/c they cheated like a big dog.
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:49 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
quote:this quote tho "One coach who spoke to Bleacher Report was told on his first day that his quarterback might be part of a campuswide gambling ring."
He just didn't want to recruit "the Auburn way"
"Everything changed within his first week. An assistant coach from the previous staff, whom Bowden was told he had to retain, walked into his office and placed a black ledger on his desk. It was a list of players who were being paid.
This is how we do it around here, Bowden was told."
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Who was that do ya'll think?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It was structure and fallout from the allegations for the most part.
Imagine being at a college party having a good time. Everyone's drunk, high or both. The women are half nekkid. Everybody looked forward to that particular party for weeks. Then the cops show up around 1am.
That's basically Auburn football in the 80s
Imagine being at a college party having a good time. Everyone's drunk, high or both. The women are half nekkid. Everybody looked forward to that particular party for weeks. Then the cops show up around 1am.
That's basically Auburn football in the 80s
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
As was mentioned, it was a two year swoon with signs of it coming in 1990. The 1990 team should have been better than it was. Coach Dye was also the AD at this time. He was taking on too much and things were getting out of hand. I think he was thinking pretty highly of himself at this point. 1991 was predicted to be a somewhat down year as we had a lot of younger players coming up. We thought maybe 7-5, but it was a little worse. In that season is when the 'he who shall not be named' stuff came about and that train wrecked 1992. Those younger players were good and they were having huge growing pains, but it helped them in the long run and 1993-1994 were great years.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Magic alligator wallet lost
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:57 pm to Irons Puppet
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AU had some success with Bowden because of his Offense, he just couldn't recruit.
Bowden's success was because of Tommy's O. When he left to take the Clemson HC gig, and Auburn played the bowl game without him, I knew immediately that we had let the wrong Bowden get away.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:58 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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He just didn't want to recruit "the Auburn way"
A gump talking about recruiting. That's like an alcoholic calling somebody else a drunk.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
everything about the state of CFB was in a state of flux. sure you had the Spurrier effect, the game itself was changing. Dye was also from the old school where the HC was also the AD. not only was strategic philosophy changing on the field but in the board rooms as well. that was really the beginning of BIG money TV deals, big money facility wars, etc. the entire landscape was changing and Pat Dye, unfortunately, was a dinosaur caught in a tar pit.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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the difference is the fact Bama paid recruits
Link to Bama paying a recruit.
Difficulty: Albert Means never got a dime from Logan Young or anyone else associated with Alabama.
The system had been in place at both location and was well know by anyone close to either program. The difference was Logan Young at Bama. Everyone knew how he paid recruits families and coaches, but nobody was willing to squeal (see TN/Fulmer). The NCAA was aware of him, but Bryant protected him. As soon as they found some dirt, they hammered him/them (21 Schollys).
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:05 pm to MrAUTigers
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A gump talking about recruiting. That's like an alcoholic calling somebody else a drunk.
Oh, that wasn't me talking about it. It was your ex coach.
"Everything changed within his first week. An assistant coach from the previous staff, whom Bowden was told he had to retain, walked into his office and placed a black ledger on his desk. It was a list of players who were being paid.
This is how we do it around here, Bowden was told."
And there are plenty of sources to confirm it... LINK
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:08 pm to MrAUTigers
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AU had some success with Bowden because of his Offense, he just couldn't recruit.
Bowden's success was because of Tommy's O. When he left to take the Clemson HC gig, and Auburn played the bowl game without him, I knew immediately that we had let the wrong Bowden get away.
Tommy left AU to become HC at Tulane. Terry was ahead of his time with his Offense when he was at AU. He was the mastermind of that Offense. If you remember Tommy was the OC at AU Dye's last year. Then at Tulane, Rich Rod was their Offense genius.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:13 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
I am sure Terry Bowden is in no way bitter towards Auburn. You know good and well what kind of person that guy is.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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Tommy left AU to become HC at Tulane.
That's right. I forgot he went to Tulane. Didn't Tulane have an undefeated season under him?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:22 pm to MrAUTigers
Yes and they would have whipped UT that year.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:22 pm to Irons Puppet
Good grief how young are some of you people? Had nothing to do with Ramsay or even Dye holding the AD title. Plain and simple, 1988 happened. Auburn, statiscally had the best defense the SEC had ever produce at the time and was tied with FSU for the most players drafted in the decade. Dye played ball control offense and AU's defense eventually wore teams down. The Earthquake game in Baton Rouge, LSU put together a miracle drive and AU's offense put up 6 points causing AU to lose the game 7-6 and cost AU an undefeated season and natty appearance. Dye tried to incorporate a more balanced attack and AU implemented that attack the following season with great success (Reggie Slack at QB). The struggles in the early 90s had more to do with starting a true freshman (Stan white) at QB as well as a ton of young skill players that were recruited to play in a more balanced offense. Those guys were upper classmen in 93-94 with a record of 20-1-1. Dye was looking to adapt with the times to make his offense modern and knew he was gonna have a couple down years.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:25 pm to TIGERSPIKE
I was there during those years and I knew and talked to players. That 'he who shall not be named' crap had everything to do with the poor performance in 1992. In 1990-1991, these things were true, but that team was ready to breakout in 1992, but things went south.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:32 pm to wareaglepete
1992 AU was loaded with talent but we were still young in a ton of areas. SEC was loaded that year and we lost a lot of close games that year.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:39 pm to TIGERSPIKE
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SEC was loaded that year and we lost a lot of close games that year.
24 pt loss to Ole Miss
15 pt loss to Florida
17 pt loss to Alabama
7 pt loss to MSU
4 pt loss to UGA
2 pt win over LSU
8 pt win over USM
1 pt win over SW LA
Could have just as easily been 3-7-1 as 7-3-1.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:40 pm to TIGERSPIKE
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Good grief how young are some of you people? Had nothing to do with Ramsay or even Dye holding the AD title. Plain and simple, 1988 happened. Auburn, statiscally had the best defense the SEC had ever produce at the time and was tied with FSU for the most players drafted in the decade. Dye played ball control offense and AU's defense eventually wore teams down. The Earthquake game in Baton Rouge, LSU put together a miracle drive and AU's offense put up 6 points causing AU to lose the game 7-6 and cost AU an undefeated season and natty appearance. Dye tried to incorporate a more balanced attack and AU implemented that attack the following season with great success (Reggie Slack at QB). The struggles in the early 90s had more to do with starting a true freshman (Stan white) at QB as well as a ton of young skill players that were recruited to play in a more balanced offense. Those guys were upper classmen in 93-94 with a record of 20-1-1. Dye was looking to adapt with the times to make his offense modern and knew he was gonna have a couple down years.
The Offense changed when Larry Blackely and Pat Sullivan left. Think about the QBs developed under Sullivan, Burger, Slack and White. Dye was late coming to the party with the Offense, he couldn't recover because of Spurrier and the NCAA.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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1986 : 10-2
1987 : 9-1-2 (SEC Champs)
1988 : 10-2 (SEC Co-Champs)
1989 : 10-2 (SEC Co-Champs)
4 straight Top 10 finishes, 3 straight SEC Championships, 21-4-1 in the SEC over 4 years.
Then, from 1990 to 1992 Auburn went 18-14-2, 8-12-2 in the SEC and Dye was relieved.
The thing is, it all turned on a dime midway through the 1990 season. I remember them just getting pummeled by Steve Spurrier's Florida team sometime mid-season, and it really tanked from there.
They won 3 consecutive SEC Titles in 1987, 1988, and 1989. Then 1990 started out like this:
W 32-17 over Cal State Fullerton
W 24-10 over Ole Miss
T 26-26 against Tennessee
W 16-14 over La Tech
W 56-6 over Vanderbilt
W 20-17 over Florida State
W 17-16 over Mississippi State
They were 6-0-1. Prior to the close win over Mississippi State, Auburn had risen to #2 in the polls. The narrow victory in Starkville caused them to drop to #4.
Entering the month of November, Auburn was undefeated with a tie and had played a rather difficult schedule. Florida State went on to finish the season ranked #4 that year... Tennessee finished #8 and were the SEC Champs that year. Ole Miss finished #21.
So they had beaten (or tied in the case of the Vols) some very good teams that year.
Then it fell apart:
L 7-48 to Florida
L 12-13 to Southern Miss
W 33-10 over Georgia
L 7-16 to Alabama
W 27-23 over Indiana
They lost 3 of their final 5 games.... then went 10-11-1 over the course of the next two seasons.
Of course they got it together (1993) just as fast as they let it fall apart. But that 27 or 28 game stretch there where they were horrible still remains a head-scratcher to me as well.
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