re: Ole Miss: Please start playing 'From Dixie With Love' again

I was there and I knew that I was witnessing something special, historic and endangered. Will never forget it.

With that said, I will go on record that I support removal of Dixie, Dixie with love, Colonel Reb, the flag and contextualization of our civil war monuments in an effort to promote a more welcoming environment to a diverse student body and to minimize bad PR, and to hopefully halt the attraction of nut job groups that still want to come pollute our campus.

I personally think A&M should play that song because you can't spell that song without

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Love Dix

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Says the guy who started off calling people "racist shitheads" ...Bold move trying to climb onto your high horse after starting the thread like that. Typical from your type though.

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You have something of a point, but not entirely. There is a pretty big difference between making an insulting comment like "racist shitheads" and calling someone a "p*ssy". No Southern man calls another one a p*ssy unless he's ready to back it up. That word is unique in how it calls someone out. But I do admit that there is an air of hypocrisy in what I said, I'll grant that.

We aren't having a discussion. Not a real one anyway.

Colonel Reb was removed. No form of Dixie is played by the Ole Miss band anywhere, Grove or game.

So what changed. What got better?

Now:

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You think it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy to be surrounded by symbols which celebrate slavery?

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This is where I wonder how much you actually know. There is a kind of meme, in liberal circles (can't type SJ- oops again), that blacks are curled up in the fetal position in the darkness, helpless to do anything, let alone move. Unless the historic symbols of their oppression are removed. This makes a liberal feel warm and fuzzy.

The truth is that blacks have the highest self-esteem of anyone in America. Even when it makes no sense, even if there is no hope, they feel good about themselves. Neuroticism, is your thing, it's not a black thing.

Colin Quinn had a standup bit once, about a black guy in handcuffs by a police car taking the time to chat up a female bystander and asking her for a date. That is the reality (yeah, yeah standup comic).

As for the bit about political power not equal to their representation in the population. Do tell.

Both of us know full well about literacy tests, poll taxes, and the like. Though I can tell you that election fraud is an American tradition and it is no stranger to a number of American locales such as NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, ad infinitum.

My uncle told me a story once (he was from Alexandria) about one of the Long's throwing hams to a crowd off the back of a truck. Anyway...

Blacks are so much of the population. They vote in a bloc more than any other American ethnicity. As far as I know (and trust me, the Feds eyeball southern elections like they never do up north), there is no widespread electoral fraud in any of the Old Confederate states. If you know otherwise, enlighten me.

So tell me. They have numbers. They vote together. Other than gerrymandered districts, why aren't they getting their fair share of political power?

And to be blunt, the gerrymandered districts act to increase the number of black representatives, by concentrating black voters in certain districts. But once again these sorts of things are regulated by the Feds, and certain standards have to be met.

So 2017. Why is it that blacks don't have their proper amount of representation? Do you want to have the districts gerrymandered another way? To spread out black voters just enough to discount a lesser number of white voters in particular districts? I don't think you have the math even in Mississippi (right now). Certainly a strategy though. If you take the state house (then why do you need it exactly?).

Of course you'd probably get more white Democrats getting elected. That what you after? So blacks can be represented by their fair share of white Democrats? Though to be objective about it, that would probably mean less elected blacks in office.

Geez that was longer than I meant to write. But long story short, if you are going to have racially polarized voting (and that is widespread in America), blacks have about as much political power as they are going to get given the current census numbers.

And funny thing about those census numbers. Hispanics are spreading out in Dixie now. It's going to become an issue in Arkansas and Louisiana first. But interesting times are coming if anyone is interested in that.

I prefer our Battle Hymn Choarle

But if you people want to play it go ahead.

Yeah, I wonder how much you know too. You are so myopic in your self serving way of thinking that you have convinced yourself that people actually like being considered racially inferior. That's pretty hopeless.

And since you bring up gerrymandering...if you think districts are gerrymandered to INCREASE the voting power of black people, you don't live in this world, or you are completely unaware of which group has used gerrymandering to utterly usurp political power in state governments. Research that one before making haphazard comments.

And you're right, this isn't a discussion. It's another political thread that I allowed myself to get sucked into, on a message board that is overwhelmingly right wing and unrefined in their political thought, which has turned into an echo chamber for the conservative pseudointellectuals.

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Yeah, I wonder how much you know too. You are so myopic in your self serving way of thinking that you have convinced yourself that people actually like being considered racially inferior. That's pretty hopeless.

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Myopic? That is a pretty odd word to use. Nor do I think self-serving is accurate.

What gets me though, is this:

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you have convinced yourself that people actually like being considered racially inferior.

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Your words not mine. You might want to gaze into the mirror of introspection.

As for increasing the voting power of black people? What does that even mean? If you go by one person, one vote only an increase in numbers does that.

If you are talking about the actual effect on politics, yes you could gerrymander districts to elect politicians that have a "D" by their names. You'd wind up with less elected blacks with a "D" by their name, but more "D's" overall.

But you have to have the State House (and enough votes to sustain a veto if your governor is unfortunately of another party) after a census to do so.

Now let me address something else. Let's say you got to personally redraw all the district maps in Mississippi. You can have as many people from the DNC, whatever, to help. Thing is you get to set districts for the next election.

Then they have the election. Your side wins. Then what?

I'll tell you what. Not much of anything. You'll be able to purge the last Confederate monuments. Go on a witchhunt for those old Confederate tombstones scattered here and there at battle sites (Mississippi got those too?).

You can make Ole Miss an institution righteous in the Eyes of Berkeley for all time (or for a while at any rate).

Then what. Nothing. Sad little thing is there ain't much you can do that isn't being done already. You seem to believe there is some gigantic pool of money being spent on Defense or something by Mississippi. Or taxes aren't high enough.

At that point you realize that other than the odd law or other, you spend most of your time and money on: Prisons, the Highway Department, Education, State Worker's pay, Bond referendums, State Employee Retirement Plans.

And at that point you are going to realize: all your grand plans and dreams, and rhetorical hope... well that isn't going to happen.

You'll pretty much do what all those bad racists were doing already.

And maybe you don't do it as well.

Unless you think any number of large employers paying great wages were just waiting for the last deplorable to be purged, before deciding to make billion dollar investments and employ beaucoup people in Mississippi.

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They arrested a guy for putting a rope on a statue and said it would cost thousands to repair it.

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He also put the old Georgia state flag over the statue's head. The little shite stain deserved it. From my understanding he also had issues getting into other universities after the incident.