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re: NSIAP - UAB cutting football program may end up costing the school more
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:26 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:26 pm to the808bass
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It's so poorly conceived and yet it works so well. It's ridiculous to deny. I would almost chalk up an AD football budget as a marketing expense in the current environment. It's great at bringing in students. It's part of the college atmosphere that schools are selling. And it works.
That's actually debatable. Having read some of the studies on it over the years, my personal opinion is that it probably helps branding and enrollment a bit for universities already known as football schools when they have a big year but that it really doesn't make much financial sense at smaller schools that have been cracking into the top division the last 10 years or so.
Then again, you might add that it is worth the university paying out of pocket because it provides value to the student experience. However, my anecdotal experience after doing a BS and MA at schools that had recently gone to 1A (or whatever it is called today) is that I just don't see it. I know it is a massive temptation for administrations trying to turn the corner from a commuter campus to more of a traditional student body, but I still feel like it is a huge risk.
This is a general opinion and doesn't necessarily apply to UAB. I think there is a big difference questioning moving up to D1A and completely dismantling a program altogether.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:26 pm to asphinctersayswhat
Look another Gump that supports lying low integrity white trash!
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:29 pm to LuciusSulla
One thing you have to remember with Uab is they would actually be profitable and self sustaining in all likelihood or very close if Bama had not actively and diligently worked hard to prevent it for over a decade.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:34 pm to higgs_boson
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Honest question, what is your opinion on the condition of Legion Field?
Depressing, although it looks better with the endzone seats covered.
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Again, this should not really be about tearing down UA
I don't think it is.
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it should be about the future of UAB.
Which I think is bright, even without football.
Look, I believe that the football team should have been kept, but that didn't happen. As a donor to the UAB School of Business, I'm not going to stop contributing just because I can no longer go watch football, and I don't think anyone else is, either. The dollars will continue to come in, the university will continue to grow, and I believe it will continue to improve.
As I said earlier, UAB just needs true representation on the existing Board.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:37 pm to Evolved Simian
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Honest question, what is your opinion on the condition of Legion Field?
Depressing, although it looks better with the endzone seats covered.
Appreciate the answers!
Was curious, just got through reading some thoughts on the future of Legion Field.
Down but not out
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:41 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
There is one factor that this author completely left untouched...surprising since he seems to fancy himself as an expert. And he's not the ony one leaving it untouched. Any mention of it that you've seen has been buried deeper or not mentioned at all by the media, and that's the fact that UAB killed off two other sports. Now I have no idea how that impacts the situation, but it surely does. Those were two programs that even this author would have to admit bring in zero dollars...yet they have the costs of hiring staff, travel, and all those same expenses spent on scholarship football players. Cutting football, because of Title IX, allows those other two sports to be cut.
Like I said, I really don't know the financial impact of the loss of those two sports, but there has to be some positive effect on the balance sheet. It would be interesting to see an analysis of that as well.
Like I said, I really don't know the financial impact of the loss of those two sports, but there has to be some positive effect on the balance sheet. It would be interesting to see an analysis of that as well.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:59 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
The real question is, if Auburn hadn't thieved UABs bowl bid would the program have gotten a second chance?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 8:51 pm to Silverback
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NSIAP - UAB cutting football program may end up costing the school more
The real question is, if Auburn hadn't thieved UABs bowl bid would the program have gotten a second chance?
The thing that people are forgetting is that for a school like UAB, a bowl game is a double edged sword. Many teams lose hundreds of thousands of dollars, and UAB no doubt would have also. CUSA teams are going to Nassau, Miami, Dallas, Honolulu, and Boca Raton. Imagine UAB going to Honolulu with a 12,000 ticket commitment. They would have lost a fortune.
Interesting read here. FSU took a $2,000,000 hit on unsold tickets to the Orange Bowl in 2012. UConn $1,600,000 when they went to the Fiesta.
After the events of the last couple of weeks, it's probably a good thing UAB didn't get a bowl invite. No doubt they would have turned it down. After shutting down the program, no way the prez would have committed to what would likely have been a $1,000,000 loss, or worse.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:17 pm to BamaGradinTn
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and that's the fact that UAB killed off two other sports.
And replaced them with other sports that don't make money.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:21 pm to inelishaitrust
What did they replace them with?
edit: I see men's cross country and track as possibilities, but nothing definitive yet.
edit: I see men's cross country and track as possibilities, but nothing definitive yet.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:23 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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One thing you have to remember with Uab is they would actually be profitable and self sustaining in all likelihood or very close if Bama had not actively and diligently worked hard to prevent it for over a decade.
There are like 20 profitable programs in college football. And you think UAB would be one of them (didn't AU lose money last year)? Get out of here with that shite.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:28 pm to TideCPA
If they do add cross country and track, they would be just about the cheapest sports possible. They already have the coaches, they already have a track, and there would be virtually no equipment to purchase.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:30 pm to TideCPA
They might be. We will never know. Why? Because the uat board is old white trash led by Bryant Jr who would burn Uab down because he has personal problems and didn't like Bartow.
Does make you wonder who raised such trash. I normally respect Bear, but Bryant Jr makes me question that.
Does make you wonder who raised such trash. I normally respect Bear, but Bryant Jr makes me question that.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:33 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Why is it that every time one of these threads is at the top of the board you're the last post?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:33 pm to BamaGradinTn
Dude this isn't about money and never was. Next you are gonna tell me them blocking the Fisher hire was about money. Or refusing to even discuss or vote on the stadium that already had the financing lined up from donors and bonds .
Get real. NO ONE is buying that horseshite.
Get real. NO ONE is buying that horseshite.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:34 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Because frick you, that's why.
Any other dumb questions?
Any other dumb questions?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:37 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
So much personal investment.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:40 pm to CapstoneGrad06
I've explained that already. I've been on this topic here ever since I joined this site and following the shenanigans for over adecade. I'm well versed in the history.
Moving on tonight though so don't have to worry about me keeping this particular discussion going.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:49 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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They might be. We will never know.
AUM could have the greatest football team in history if only AU's old white trustees weren't such assholes. Guess we will never know. At least UAB got 20 years to try. #FreeAUM. Frick the AU BOT!!!!
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