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re: NSIAP - UAB cutting football program may end up costing the school more
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:34 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:34 pm to the808bass
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It's so poorly conceived and yet it works so well. It's ridiculous to deny. I would almost chalk up an AD football budget as a marketing expense in the current environment. It's great at bringing in students. It's part of the college atmosphere that schools are selling. And it works.
I saw an interview with the TCU AD. Said that 10 years ago, there were 4,000 applicants every year contending for 1,500 spots. Now there are 20k. Being mediocre at sports won't help your academic program, but being good at them certainly will. If Alabama fans actually went to college, they'd know this.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:38 pm to inelishaitrust
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If Alabama fans actually went to college, they'd know this.
UAT is currently at record enrollment and the acdemic metrics are at an all time high.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:41 pm to Evolved Simian
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Please feel free to name one instance where a state university system has spun off one of it's entities, because fans of an athletic rival didn't like how they were run. Thanks in advance.
Times change.
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Also, then they would have to pay their own bills and take responsibility for decisions.
This is already the case.
Incorrect, when a BoT comprised of mainly people who did not attend the University have a final say in issues like a stadium or hiring a coach.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:44 pm to Evolved Simian
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Please feel free to name one instance where a state university system has spun off one of it's entities
Can you name another instance where a state university system has acted to the detriment of the state's largest city and the state as a whole by undermining another school within the system's ability to function as an independent institution?The question ought to be why should UAB remain under the UA umbrella if it is not being permitted to act in its own, the city of Birmingham, or the state's best interest?
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:47 pm to ForeverLSU02
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What school? We all know there is only one school benefiting from this
Who's benefitting and how?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:48 pm to higgs_boson
I am just glad that my kid will not have to bring home 20 tickets every other week from school. I wonder how many of the attendees actually paid for tickets?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:51 pm to higgs_boson
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final say in issues like a stadium or hiring a coach.
The BOT cannot dictate individual personnel decisions. Only financial terms. Ask Bobby Lowder what effect that has on your university's accreditation.
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Incorrect, when a BoT comprised of mainly people who did not attend the University
So, since AUM has exactly zero of 13 positions on the AU BOT this is okay, but it's not for UAB which has 20% of the 15 members on the UA BOT? Makes perfect sense to me.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:52 pm to Silverback
Deflecting from main point. UAB is a major university, they should have their own board to decide their own fate.
I do not see why so many are opposed to this?
UAB approaching 20k students, why shouldn't they be entitled to their own representation?
I do not see why so many are opposed to this?
UAB approaching 20k students, why shouldn't they be entitled to their own representation?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:52 pm to Silverback
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I am just glad that my kid will not have to bring home 20 tickets every other week from school. I wonder how many of the attendees actually paid for tickets?
Enough of them
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:59 pm to Silverback
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I am just glad that my kid will not have to bring home 20 tickets every other week from school. I wonder how many of the attendees actually paid for tickets?
Please stop using the old talking points. UAB football was losing money, but the whole everyone got free tickets has been debunked.
Myths about UAB
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Contention: UAB is unfit to compete financially with the schools in its own conference.
Verdict: False. In Conference USA, UAB is a middle of the pack financially. Throw out all the subsidies and its athletic losses are sixth worst, behind Old Dominion, Middle Tennessee State, Florida International, North Carolina Charlotte and North Texas.
Contention: UAB gives away thousands of tickets to skew the attendance numbers.
Verdict: True and False. The city of Birmingham, in its contract with the Board of Trustees for the use of Legion Field, receives more than 5,000 season tickets to the games. The city gets 95 complimentary tickets for mayor and council and assorted "dignitaries." It also buys 5,000 season tickets for home games, at a cost up to $225,000. Those tickets are handed out by council members (another issue entirely), given to employees and sometimes school children. But those tickets are paid, even if the people bought them.
So the city actually buys those tickets.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:04 pm to Evolved Simian
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So, since AUM has exactly zero of 13 positions on the AU BOT this is okay, but it's not for UAB which has 20% of the 15 members on the UA BOT?
This isn't [or rather shouldn't be] about Auburn or UAT. If some of the folks that are reflexively defending the administration would be honest with themselves, they will admit that this isn't in the public's, the city of Birmingham's, or the state's best interest. That's messed up.
AUM is run as a satellite campus of Auburn. For example, it's 5000 students receive Auburn athletic tickets just like all the other Auburn students. Although I do not think that it could stand on its own (at least now) if and when it can and wants to, I would have zero issue with turning it loose.
UAB has 19,000 students, employs 23,000 people, and has revenues larger than UAT and UAH combined. That ain't a satellite campus. How is the public benefiting from the lack of independent governance?
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:04 pm to Silverback
Gumps still following the lie, deny, deflect model on this topic?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:05 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Look, another UAB thread on the wrong board!
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:05 pm to APIEE
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Can you name another instance where a state university system has acted to the detriment of the state's largest city and the state as a whole by undermining another school within the system's ability to function as an independent institution?
This is a ridiculous assertion. If you blame the BOT for football, you have to give them credit for creating a world class research institution, expanding and modernizing an urban campus, and progressive admissions of minority students in the only decent affordable institution for minorities in a city with the state's largest, and, in many areas, very poor, African American communities.
Seems like everything they're doing is in the city's best interests.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:07 pm to Evolved Simian
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This is a ridiculous assertion. If you blame the BOT for football, you have to give them credit for creating a world class research institution, expanding and modernizing an urban campus, and progressive admissions of minority students in the only decent affordable institution for minorities in a city with the state's largest, and, in many areas, very poor, African American communities.
Seems like everything they're doing is in the city's best interests.
I am not sure I disagree. UA deserves credit for establishing the UA medical school and research institutions. The question is really has UAB outgrown governance from UA?
It would be in their best interests to be self represented most likely. Are you opposed to that, and if so why?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:08 pm to higgs_boson
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So the city actually buys those tickets.
Yep. Everyone already knew that. They were then given to city employees to use or give away.
I attended quite a few UAB football games because my coworker's wife was given a number of these tickets throughout the year.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:10 pm to Evolved Simian
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I attended quite a few UAB football games because my coworker's wife was given a number of these tickets throughout the year.
Honest question, what is your opinion on the condition of Legion Field?
Again, this should not really be about tearing down UA, it should be about the future of UAB.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:15 pm to Evolved Simian
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This is a ridiculous assertion. If you blame the BOT for football, you have to give them credit for creating a world class research institution, expanding and modernizing an urban campus, and progressive admissions of minority students in the only decent affordable institution for minorities in a city with the state's largest, and, in many areas, very poor, African American communities.
Seems like everything they're doing is in the city's best interests.
UAB has undoubtedly done a number of great things that are in Birmingham's interest. But that's not the question. The question is not "Is is possible for UAB to do some good things while under the UA umbrella?" The question is whether the public most benefits from an independent or non-independent UAB? In all these threads I have yet to see anyone explain how the public benefits from a non-independent university.
The UA and the AU systems don't exist for their own sake. They exist for the public. I could give two shits about who gets credit for the medical school. They can leave the name University of Alabama at Birmingham. Hell, they can call it the University of Alabama, Birmingham Campus. But it ought to have independence and be able to do what's in its own best interest and in the interest of Birmingham and the state. That is why it is there to begin with.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:17 pm to higgs_boson
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It would be in their best interests to be self represented most likely. Are you opposed to that, and if so why?
I think the cooperative nature of a number of academic programs shared by the three campuses (where academic programs are operated on two or more campuses, but managed by administrators at one) makes having a single board a better idea.
What UAB needs is adequate representation on the current board. At least 5 members from there, and maybe 2 from UAH. And Bryant needs to retire. I'm sick of the good ole boy crap.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:20 pm to Evolved Simian
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What UAB needs is adequate representation on the current board. At least 5 members from there, and maybe 2 from UAH. And Bryant needs to retire. I'm sick of the good ole boy crap.
That would probably be a pretty good compromise, I think that is what the proposed legislation was. Although the power and influence at the state capitol have pretty much said it is DOA.
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