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re: Notre Dame would be a top 3 or 4 SEC team..
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:37 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:37 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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You're overlooking the fact that they're wins. That sounds stupid, but it's true. College football is such a grind, just win games, it really doesn't matter how. The BYU game was without Golson, look at Rees' stats that game (and it's still a win over a bowl eligible team). Beating Michigan is a good win. Beating Stanford is a great win. Beating Oklahoma is a great win (let alone on the road by 17).
Did ND play every game perfectly? No, of course not. But they did enough to win. That's all Kelly and the team cared about. And that's all that matters. For example, if you look at the score of the BC game, it looks like ND struggled since they won by 15 against a two-win team. But we executed the game exactly the way we wanted to and were in complete control if you watched. No need to do anything fancy or force things or try for "style points". Just win.
I understand your point. But bringing that weak arse shite that "just wins" against low to mediocre opponents will get you nothing but an arse whipping in the SEC. Bottom line is that ND is only good enough to barely beat average teams. Do you honestly think that ND has a dial that they turn up and down to just do enough to win againt their opponent for the week? If so then you better hope it goes way over 11 for your next game.
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:40 pm to Zeg
Notre Dame will probably beat Bama by at least two touchdowns.
The mighty are falling, and the largest one of all (the SEC conference) has a target on it's back.
Bama's a joke.
The mighty are falling, and the largest one of all (the SEC conference) has a target on it's back.
Bama's a joke.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:48 pm to Zeg
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But bringing that weak arse shite that "just wins" against low to mediocre opponents will get you nothing but an arse whipping in the SEC.
False. The SEC is full of them. Mizzou, Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss... basically all eight of the teams outside of the top six. And as I mentioned earlier in this thread, that's what the majority of the conference schedule was for Bama and UGA. Then 2-3 really tough opponents (what do you know, same for ND with Oklahoma and Stanford). There's a reason ND's strength of schedule is rated higher than Bama's and UGA's.
ETA: This is not saying those teams can't win. They're not like FCS teams or low non-BCS teams. A team like Miss State or Mizzou can beat you if you're not ready. But ND played a bunch of those types of teams, as well (Purdue, BYU, Pitt, Miami, etc.) and won. And that's what counts.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:50 pm to Bellabama
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I don't really want to be on South Beach with a bunch of Notre Dame fans.
Yankees are bigger rednecks than any redneck you have ever met. They have no manners and zero couth. They are about as common as it gets.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:55 pm to mizzoukills
quote:Must be bored/trolling yoday.
mizzoukills
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:55 pm to Zeg
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Do you honestly think that ND has a dial that they turn up and down to just do enough to win againt their opponent for the week?
Also, it's not so much of a "turn it up or down" dial (though I do think it's naive to think college kids don't get up for bigger opponents and play better in those atmospheres) as what ND's style is. It's defense, it's the run game, it's trying to limit a first-year starter sophomore quarterback's mistakes. That naturally leads to closer and lower scoring games.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:56 pm to slayerxing
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With Florida's schedule they would have lost 2 games. At least.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 4:57 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Purdue, BYU, Pitt, Miami, etc.)
MSU > Purdue
BYU barely beat an 2-10 Ole Miss team last year.
Ole Miss is going to beat Pitt by 3 TD in the bowl game
Miami is a shell of its former self.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:00 pm to HottyToddy7
This is the dumbest shite I've ever heard. The sec is over rated and over hyped. Bama will wish they had lost to Georgia.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:02 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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False. The SEC is full of them. Mizzou, Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss... basically all eight of the teams outside of the top six. And as I mentioned earlier in this thread, that's what the majority of the conference schedule was for Bama and UGA. Then 2-3 really tough opponents (what do you know, same for ND with Oklahoma and Stanford). There's a reason ND's strength of schedule is rated higher than Bama's and UGA's.
Your going off the SECs mediocre to bottom teams. LSU, Bama, UF, UGA, USCe, TAMU, and ill even throw in Miss St. All of those teams are as good or better than the top teams ND played. Your using our bad teams as why the SEC is weak or why Bamas schedule was weak. NDs close grind it out wins were against teams like Vandy, Ole Miss, etc except for Stanford and Oklahoma, though Oklahoma is an average team IMO.
And Bama played LSU, TAMU, and UGA in the SECCG. LSU, UGA, and TAMU>>>> than any team on NDs schedule. Your argument is that Bama had a weak schedule, and compared to most of the other SEC teams, they did. But, they did win the SEC.
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ETA: This is not saying those teams can't win. They're not like FCS teams or low non-BCS teams. A team like Miss State or Mizzou can beat you if you're not ready. But ND played a bunch of those types of teams, as well (Purdue, BYU, Pitt, Miami, etc.) and won. And that's what counts.
Haha so NDs big grind it out wins were against mediocre to below average teams, like Mizzou, who was a bottom 3 team in the SEC. I mean you admit that ND had a bunch of easy games vs crappy opponents, but the wins were close and 1 of them should of been a loss.
I mean ND let Pitts RB Graham rush for 175 that game. What do you think Lacy and Yeldon is going to do to yall?
You still havent given me a legitimate reason as to why ND would be a top 4 team in the SEC year, and I think its because their isnt 1. ND would play Miss St and USCe close, but I think they would lose to USCe and Miss St is a toss up.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:03 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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False. The SEC is full of them. Mizzou, Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss... basically all eight of the teams outside of the top six
Yes....and they all get an arse whippin just like ND would.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:03 pm to ChadD3
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This is the dumbest shite I've ever heard. The sec is over rated and over hyped. Bama will wish they had lost to Georgia.
Ruh-Roh
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:04 pm to ChadD3
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This is the dumbest shite I've ever heard. The sec is over rated and over hyped. Bama will wish they had lost to Georgia.
Haha what is? Trying to make Pitt seem like a good team? After the championship, please come back and tell us what you really think of the SEC. Im sure it might change.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:05 pm to ChadD3
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This is the dumbest shite I've ever heard.
You act like the SEC is over rated but the only teams that beat SEC teams are other SEC teams.
Purdue is 6-6 with losses to ND, Mich, OSU, Wisc, Minn, Penn ST.
MSU is 8-4 with losses to Bama, LSU, A&M and Ole Miss
So MSU > Purdue.
BYU is 7-5 and lost to San Jose ST. They are garbage
Pitt lost to Youngstown St. They are garbage.
Miami is average at best. 0-5 on beating top 25 teams. Best win is OT against GT.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 5:57 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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best LB in college football (here come the UGA fans...)
Teo has had a great season and has been the best player on the #1 ranked team in College Football. Jarvis Jones is a better LB and has had a better season. The only stat that impresses me from Teo is the 7 Ints. You can also argue Alec Ogletree had similar stats to Te'o and he is defiantly not been in any discussions.
Jarvis Jones (11 games)
TFL - 22.5 (1st in the nation)
Tackles - 77 (not in top 100)
FF - 7 (1st)
Sacks - 12.5 (4th)
Int - 1 (not in the top 100)
Manti Te'o (12 games)
TFL - 5.5 (not in the top 100)
Tackles - 103 (60th)
FF - 0 (not in the top 100)
Sacks - 1.5 (not in the top 100)
Int - 7 (2nd)
Alec Ogletree (9 games)
TFL - 8.5 (not in the top 100)
Tackles - 98 (74th)
FF - 0 (not in the top 100)
Sacks - 2 (not in the top 100)
Int - 1 (not in the top 100)
Posted on 12/5/12 at 6:43 pm to RomeDawg11
After reading that it is a fricking joke that he is in the heismen race. I think he has recieved a sympathy invite. We are going to ru right at his arse and run over him.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 6:46 pm to samson73103
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Alabama is the #1 SEC team. What's your point?
Where would you have rated Texas A&M the morning of November 10?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:02 pm to KG5989
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Your going off the SECs mediocre to bottom teams.
Yes, because this was the quote from Zeg: "But bringing that weak arse shite that "just wins" against low to mediocre opponents will get you nothing but an arse whipping in the SEC." My point was there are teams like that in the SEC, and they in fact constitute the majority (8/14).
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LSU, Bama, UF, UGA, USCe, TAMU, and ill even throw in Miss St. All of those teams are as good or better than the top teams ND played.
Stanford and Oklahoma are in that range (not as good as Bama or anything, but in the A&M/LSU range). And, once again (I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot) no SEC team plays all those teams you just named.
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Your using our bad teams as why the SEC is weak or why Bamas schedule was weak. NDs close grind it out wins were against teams like Vandy, Ole Miss, etc except for Stanford and Oklahoma, though Oklahoma is an average team IMO.
And Bama played LSU, TAMU, and UGA in the SECCG. LSU, UGA, and TAMU>>>> than any team on NDs schedule. Your argument is that Bama had a weak schedule, and compared to most of the other SEC teams, they did. But, they did win the SEC.
My argument never said Bama's schedule was weak. It was that it was comparable to ND's.
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I mean you admit that ND had a bunch of easy games vs crappy opponents
No, I didn't, because it's not true. Georgia Southern, Western Carolina, etc. are crappy opponent. Pitt, BYU, etc. are not (and neither are any SEC teams besides maybe Kentucky). There is a difference. One of those types of teams has the possibility to win, one does not.
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You still havent given me a legitimate reason as to why ND would be a top 4 team in the SEC year, and I think its because their isnt 1.
What? Your whole argument boils down to some teams played ND close (GAMES NOTRE DAME WON). Notre Dame is undefeated with the 30th-ranked schedule in the country (Bama's is 35th, UGA's 41st, USC's 36th, A&M's 27th, LSU's 28th). ND won at the No. 11 team by 17 points and beat the No. 6 team in the country. That's all I need. You've proven nothing. Think about how weak your argument sounds. "Pitt played ND close, that means they wouldn't be one of the top teams in the SEC." It's absurd to use one game, particularly a win against a BCS team going to a bowl. Prove to me ND isn't one of the top four.
BTW, one of your "elite" SEC teams was tied with Wofford at halftime. Another beat Louisiana Tech by two. Another was beating BGSU by three at the end of three AND in a different game needed a blocked punt to beat Louisiana Lafayette. But continue to cite a game ND won showing they couldn't compete in the SEC.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:06 pm to RomeDawg11
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Jarvis Jones is a better LB and has had a better season. The only stat that impresses me from Teo is the 7 Ints.
They're different players. This is just my opinion, but I think the only area Jones is better than Te'o at is pass rushing. Stopping the run, tackling, and coverage, Te'o's better (he also is so important in non-tangible ways for ND, but I'm sure you could make an argument for Jones there, too, for UGA). But they're different players with different responsibilities. Hard to compare.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:17 pm to ChadD3
I agree. 10.5 point favorite, 6 top 12 teams, last 6 consecutive NCs, far and away the winningest BCS bowl game conference yet you know something no one else does. Jan.7 is coming, be ready - Bama's going to part some eyes.
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