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re: Nick Saban pushes for players to 'unionize,' has 'no problem' with athletes being paid

Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:14 pm to
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9421 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:14 pm to
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He's perfectly OK when Bama was the standard.


Bama signed one of the greatest classes of all time last cycle. Saban is just, like always, commenting on the general decline of the sport.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90794 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:15 pm to
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College football died the day James Meredith enrolled at Ole Miss. Everything since then is just more salt in the wound.


Wtf
Posted by Quatrepot
Member since Jun 2023
4061 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 11:07 pm to
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You think there is disparity right now in college football? There's going to be more in the future."
He didn’t mind as long as it was tilted in his favor.
Posted by BigFatPig
Member since Nov 2020
295 posts
Posted on 7/2/23 at 11:45 pm to
He's not wrong.

College sports are over.

As an old fricker, I hate it. But, as as old fricker, I'm smart enough to see where things are.

Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6771 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:40 am to
Nick knows anything like “unionizing” will likely never happen until he is done coaching. Therefore he can be for it. Much like he was for the nine game conference schedule when he knew it would never get adopted. Then when it was actually on the table and possible, not so much.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
5670 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:06 am to
Let’s stop pretending that Saban is at the forefront of NIL or that he’s driving change.

His comments always sound reactionary.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5959 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:19 am to
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Let’s stop pretending that Saban is at the forefront of NIL or that he’s driving change. His comments always sound reactionary.


He’s consistently adapted while bitching about having to do so. The man knows self-preservation. People misunderstand the bitching as not wanting to adapt instead of, more accurately, having to do so and not caring for the ramifications of everyone else doing the same.

If your program doesn’t already have a mature or rapidly maturing NIL solution like Alabama and others, your school is fricked. He’s just being grumpy about what that means for college football as a man who started out at a smaller school like Kent State.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 9:21 am
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5959 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:25 am to
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Saban & Bama are on a decline, we both know it. Accept it


You replied to a post about Alabama being elite at recruiting before and after NIL. To accept your premise with regard to recruiting is to deny objective reality.
Posted by STATEofMIND
Member since Oct 2012
4232 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:29 am to
If you go to college and take classes you are a student. There are academic standards set in place at different universities…. Meaning the NCAA or any conference governing body can’t force a school to lower their standards just to gain athletes.

College sports were built on the same foundations of HS sports as clubs and amateur teams. Now that it has become something tied to big money through TV deals, merchandise sales, and large scale gambling we are at a crossroads.

Either keep it as an amateur sport that’s a club/privilege/opportunity earned from auditions and talent, or separate it all together from the schools and start an amateur league.

If the student athletes unionize then it will open a can of worms like never seen from other organizations on campuses which in turn will alter the identity of a student on scholarship VS one who is not. This is about money, control, and power over a game which has now become more important than academics on some University campuses.

The NCAA has sat and done nothing since NIL was instituted and not come up with creative ways to allow students to participate while also containing pay for play. If they restricted the transfer portal then that would at least start some type of cap.

The problem is that we as a culture and nation lowered our standards for education by placing winning a football game over getting a QUALITY degree. Because we have given football and other popular sports so much money and power, we are now discussing allowing sports to alter the way we handle all scholarships in academia. If you don’t see that this would happen then you are blind and don’t understand how this will work.

Getting the federal government involved is one of the dumbest things to do ever. They already fricked up student loans when they federalized them back in 2007. Since then college tuition has skyrocketed because they can charge whatever the frick they want and the federal government wrote the checks. You do NOT want Congress or anyone from DC involved in this. The NCAA should do its job or dissolve. Let the conferences take over and set new guidelines across the board that ensure students can’t just jump teams each year due to being bought. frick the NCAA and frick DC.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
5670 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:33 am to
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He’s consistently adapted while bitching about having to do so


That’s accurate
Posted by Capn_Bevo
Austin
Member since Jan 2019
528 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:48 am to
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I have not heard Pete Seeger in years. I remember a school teacher use to sing us his songs as she played along with his record. Woody Guthrie was another one she would play along with. I may have to look them up and take a drive down memory lane.
The world they sang about was a more simple one. But their lyrics no longer make sense here in 1984
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14313 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:59 am to
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The world they sang about was a more simple one. But their lyrics no longer make sense here in 1984



The BLM marches were for the same reason Martin Luther King was marching in the 60s. Nothing new under the sun Junior.
Posted by roll to victory
Hoover, AL
Member since Aug 2018
883 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:05 am to
Little Hitler thinks he has control of the entire NCAA. SOS. Sick of Saban and his woke commie agenda! GTFO
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
9295 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:07 am to
Posted by GBJs
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2012
3902 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:29 am to
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What the new, more professionalized version of college football really needs is a draft, salary cap and restricted free agency, just like all the other pro sports. That'll bring more parity to the sport.


So lemme get this straight... yer gonna DRAFT an 18 y/o kid to a university... a kid who wants to be an engineer drafted by say Alabama, instead of Auburn which has a markedly better engineering program in virtually every field...

That's one of the dumbest frickin things I've read in a while. Do I believe EVERY student whom Nick or Kirby recruit fits perfectly at the University? Nope. But it's the choice they made, hopefully with the help of family, for their college opportunities.
Posted by roll to victory
Hoover, AL
Member since Aug 2018
883 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:37 am to
Ha, good one. Question, is that you in the avatar??
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:26 am to
All workers should unionize
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14313 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:54 am to
At this point most should agree that taking financial accountability in a mature logical way is nary impossible. The NIL and magic portal are more rightly defined as a feeding frenzy. Kids still have zero say in what they are asked to do.

How about negotiating with the players in their own CBA about such stuff as, how much money does a player make when a school sells their name on the back of a jersey? How long should practices be and how many? How do the players feel about how long the summer session is and how many times can you be with a coach? How often does a player get to travel through the magic portal? How long is a player committed to staying with a football program before transferring?

Truth is we are past the old concept that these guys are just here for a diploma. This is a billion-dollar business and players are the main assets. They should have a say as employees. Coach Saban is right. If the grownups can only throw cold hard cash, and greed at these problems, let the kids be totally invested and see what they can do in a CBA.

Posted by roll to victory
Hoover, AL
Member since Aug 2018
883 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:56 am to
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Bama signed one of the greatest classes of all time last cycle. Saban is just, like always, commenting on the general decline of the sport.


That's BS..more like Saban injecting his influence and power over anything that he cant control.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:59 am
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42572 posts
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:57 am to
Leadership makes billions off of labor; shares none of it. Fans mad at labor for wanting an equal share.
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