re: NFL GM wonders why NFL teams aren't designing offenses to help spread QBs

It's obvious that most in this thread did not actually read the whole article.

The article mostly talks about why college spread offenses are ruining the quarterback play in the NFL. Most of the interviewees agreed that it is more difficult to draft a QB now more than ever because most of the draftees don't know how to properly read defenses.

The dumbass Brown's GM proved why he is the Brown's GM, what a moron.

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why try to change everything he's done to be successful

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Not trying to "change everything he's done".They're trying to teach em how to read defenses and recognize
who the Mike is.

Very,very basic things.

I can promise you Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady both had those basic skills as rookies.

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The obvious other factor is on the premium cost of a starting QB and other positions. I'm not sure you would be able to construct a roster with the necessary depth to run that offense and pay for a competent defense

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This could be an exploitable market inefficiency but it'd take a guy willing to risk his career to pull it off-- running pro style and failing means you stay on the NFL treadmill and get a new job as a coordinator or something then get another shot eventually, you go all spread option and fail you're done.

But what if you went spread option and instead of scrambling for one of the 10 or so elite pocket passers yoy snagged late round spread guys and just used them and released them once they got too beat up-_ treat QB like smart teams treat running back as a disposable commodity.

cause defenses are faster and franchise qbs take up a lot of cap space. not complicated.

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Actually you're completely incorrect

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No, not really. While Lavell Edwards offenses have their ties to what Sid Gilliman started & which was continued later on by Don Coryell, the air raid & run & shoot are joined at the hip.

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Mumme’s recent gigs have been with smaller schools such as Southeastern Louisiana, New Mexico State and McMurry University, but he’s well-known for his time with Kentucky and even more so for his crucial role in the design of the Air Raid, an offensive system that’s produced impressive results for the likes of Mike Leach, Ruffin McNeill and Dana Holgorsen. While Jones’ background is primarily in a different pass-heavy system, the well-known run and shoot, the two coaches told CBS’ Bruce Feldman their systems have the same crucial goal:

Jones: I think I climbed the coaching ladder quickly because I was willing to do it. I think (Mumme) got the coaching job at Kentucky because he had some balls. Nobody was doing it and he’s winning. All of a sudden you have these places that had never won and were looking for something different. They’d say, “We can’t win the old-fashioned way.” So I’m watching the variations of it and every coach has their own little something they put on. The correlation is you live by the pass and you get the run because you throw. Everybody else wants to run and get the pass because they run. With Hal, Mike (Leach) and I the big similarity is the philosophy, “Throw the football to get the run.” …

Mumme: If you take the playbooks and lay them down, you’d see there’s a lot more similarities than differences. I say this all the time in clinics, “Air Raid is an attitude, not a playbook.” … There really are a lot more similarities than differences. He ran Y-Sail. We ran Y-Sail. He ran Verticals. We ran Verticals.
Schematically, though, there are some notable differences. As Chris Brown explored in an excellent Smart Football piece about the Air Raid’s history, its largest emphasis is on bringing Sid Gillman’s famed NFL idea of receivers threatening at different vertical depths to the college game:

When LaVell Edwards, head coach at BYU, decided that he wanted to throw the ball around, he and his offensive coordinator Doug Scovil looked to the NFL for inspiration. Scovil brought with him to BYU the core pass plays he’d learned there, which in fact were Sid Gillman’s core pass plays: vertical stretches, horizontal stretches, and man beating routes. These plays were almost not even plays at all, but concepts that serve as the building blocks of every passing offense. Gillman, decades earlier, had the simple insight that if properly allocated receivers across the field were stationed at varying depths with space between them, no zone defense could cover them.

Although the offense only has five potential receivers while the defense can drop seven, eight, or even nine men into coverage, if the offense can always threaten both vertically and underneath, the field is simply too large for a zone defense to cover a well orchestrated passing attack. And if zone defenses could not stop such passing, then passing concepts could be constructed to also defeat the inevitable man coverage they’d face through the route choices that placed those receivers around the field. Defenses, in turn, would have to find ways to bring pressure to disrupt this design, and thus the cat-and-mouse game between offense and defense would continue on that basis. Gillman revolutionized offense, but Scovil and Edwards streamlined it so that college kids — and not professionals — could excel with Gillman’s pro-style concepts. The story of the Air Raid over the last twenty years is simply this story retold over and over again.

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bonus points if you can figure out which franchise Brown is associated with

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That's too easy. The Cleveland Browns but it was later on with the Bengals that Bill Walsh under Paul Brown created what would be known as the West Coast offense. It wasn't a matter of trying to be innovative that Walsh created the scheme, it was due to an injury to their strong armed young QB who they both thought would be a star.

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The Bengals selected Cook with the fifth overall pick in the 1969 NFL draft and instantly fell in love with his arm, proclaiming him the starter and releasing their starting quarterback from the previous year. Paul Brown, the Hall of Famer who at the time was the Bengals’ head coach and general manager, said, “We believe this young man is the best quarterback prospect in the country.”

Cincinnati started that season 3-0 with Cook leading the way, but in the third win, over eventual Super Bowl champion Kansas City, Cook suffered a serious shoulder injury.

“I tore my rotator cuff and we didn’t know it at the time because we didn’t have the medical attention that you have today,” Cook recalled years later.

Amazingly, Cook led the league in passer rating, completion percentage, yards per attempt and yards per completion as a rookie playing through a torn rotator cuff. But by the time the season was over and doctors operated, there was little they could do. The relatively primitive surgical procedure used for such injuries in the 1960s required cutting through muscles, which only damaged Cook’s shoulder further.

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In Cincinnati Walsh had a QB named Virgil Carter. The problem was that Carter couldn't throw more than 10-15 yards, but he was highly accurate within that short boundary. To maximize production from Carter, Walsh decided to stretch the field horizontally. He came to the realization that the idea of throwing to a receiver who was not there yet - timing routes - could be nearly unstoppable if the pieces each played their role. Clearly, this has had a dramatic impact on much of the modern game; although only about a third of the teams currently play a West Coast Offense, using the concepts of stretching the field horizontally and/or even more commonly, extensively using timing routes, has become commonplace in the NFL.

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As an expansion team in 1968, the Bengals went 3-11, but the next season, the rookie quarterback extraordinaire Greg Cook led the Bengals to a 4-6-1 record. But the Bengals’ postseason dreams appeared to end before the season started: Cook was found to have a torn rotator cuff that would ultimately cost him the 1970 season and his career. Cook’s big arm helped him lead the A.F.L. in yards per completion in 1969; the backup Virgil Carter was accurate, but had a much weaker arm. That change in personnel led the assistant coach Bill Walsh to develop a more precise, horizontal passing attack for the Bengals, in what would ultimately become the West Coast offense. After Carter averaged just 3.7 adjusted yards per attempt in the Bengals’ first six losses, he averaged 7.0 AY/A the rest of the way as Cincinnati finished the season on a seven-game winning streak. The next season, Carter led the league in completion percentage. In addition to his pioneering role in the West Coast offense, Carter was one of the first prominent football sabermetricians, after he performed extensive data analysis on game logs from the 1969 season. He’ll also be remembered as the point man on the most unlikely playoff team in N.F.L. history.

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The NFL Ds would unlock that mystery in a season and shut it down.

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Its not a mystery of the offense, they have the defensive talent to shut it down in the NFL.

Same reason why NBA teams do not run complex offensive systems, its talent v talent.

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BigBrod81

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You realize the bolded section is Mumme asserting exactly what I am saying. Which is that Lavell lifted his concepts passing the ball from Gillman. You tried to say it came from Buffallo and the K-Gun. That's completely inaccurate as its documented that Mumme and Leach went to BYU several times to meet and hash out the high level concepts and whiteboarding sessions.

I don't give a shite about Bill Walsh because-again-what he developed came after Gillman. Coryell is fun too but again, you mentioned Buffallo. You were wrong about that. Your extensive Googling and copy and pasting doesn't make you right. None of that says Air Raid came from the K-Gun in Buffalo.

We aren't talking about Walsh and the one armed man he had at QB and the WCO. we're talking about the system-again that Sid Gillman devised and implemented fully while a head coach from 1960-1971 that Lavell Edwards lifted his passing game from. Which is where Mumme and leach lifted their passing game from.

You've proven that yes, you're really incorrect by actually linking, copying and pasting interviews with Mumme in your response.

Just stop.