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NFL GM wonders why NFL teams aren't designing offenses to help spread QBs
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:36 pm
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Cleveland’s Farmer has one idea: What if you could design an offense to minimize the passing deficiencies of modern quarterback prospects? Farmer used the example of Auburn’s Nick Marshall, who threw 20 touchdowns last season but was projected to transition to defensive back in the NFL. What if, Farmer said, you devoted resources to designing an offense where Marshall could thrive? He would cost you almost nothing—Marshall went undrafted—and “you might get your franchise quarterback in the later rounds, and that’s unheard of these days.”
“Whoever cracks this code the soonest is going to have a huge, huge advantage,” Farmer said, adding he and his coach, Pettine, have had broad discussions on the topic.
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:40 pm to Bench McElroy
No wonder the Browns suck. This guy doesn't realize that shitty passing just isn't going to cut it in the NFL, no matter how fast your qb is.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:42 pm to MontyFranklyn
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No wonder the Browns suck. This guy doesn't realize that shitty passing just isn't going to cut it in the NFL, no matter how fast your qb is.
His passing didn't look so shitty against your defense last year.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:44 pm to Bench McElroy
The spread isnt something new. The Spread is effective in college because of the lack of defensive talent and schemes on whole in college football.
When he talent is consolidated on both sides of the ball at the NFL level it becomes clear.
These shite opinions have been coming out for 20 years.
When he talent is consolidated on both sides of the ball at the NFL level it becomes clear.
These shite opinions have been coming out for 20 years.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:46 pm to Bench McElroy
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“you might get your franchise quarterback in the later rounds, and that’s unheard of these days.”
THE Franchise QB was found in the later rounds.
Farmer must have missed when the Redskins designed an offense to help the spread QB land a subway commercial and bad knees.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:46 pm to DuncanIdaho
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His passing didn't look so shitty against your defense last year.
And that was because Bama's pass defense was shitty. These are NFL defenses we're talking about here not some CFB defense.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:47 pm to kilo
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When he talent is consolidated on both sides of the ball at the NFL level it becomes clear.
I'm sure back in the 70s people were asking why the NFL teams didn't run the wishbone...
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:48 pm to DaleDenton
To be fair to RG3, who I hate, he looked good before his injury.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:48 pm to kilo
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The spread isnt something new. The Spread is effective in college because of the lack of defensive talent and schemes on the whole in college football.
When he talent is consolidated on both sides of the ball at the NFL level it becomes clear.
I concur.
When a defense can play pro-quality man-to-man coverage on 4 and 5 receivers the "secret" of the spread is nullified.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:51 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:but you returned all of the players in that secondary except the ones that got drafted in the NFL
And that was because Bama's pass defense was shitty.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:52 pm to MontyFranklyn
Nick Marshall's passing wasn't shitty in 2014, and he improved dramatically as 2013 went on.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:56 pm to Bench McElroy
Farmer is basically saying why can't NFL coaches design a check with me style offense in the NFL. Seriously, how does this dumbass have a job? 
It won't work because NFL coaching staffs have more time & access to their players than in college. Defensive schemes game plans are too detailed for that to ever successful. The complexity of defensive schemes are 10X as advanced then it is college especially from a presnap aspect.
NFL defenses will initially show one look then jump completely in another look at the snap of the ball. You see this somewhat in college but not to the extent that it is used in the NFL.That in itself would cause any attempt to use a check with me system in the NFL a complete failure though.
Somebody needs to tell Farmer there is no way getting around this. In order to be a successful NFL QB, the player has to be able to make the right presnap reads & adjustments. NFL defenses are not going to get less sophisticated anytime soon.
It won't work because NFL coaching staffs have more time & access to their players than in college. Defensive schemes game plans are too detailed for that to ever successful. The complexity of defensive schemes are 10X as advanced then it is college especially from a presnap aspect.
NFL defenses will initially show one look then jump completely in another look at the snap of the ball. You see this somewhat in college but not to the extent that it is used in the NFL.That in itself would cause any attempt to use a check with me system in the NFL a complete failure though.
Somebody needs to tell Farmer there is no way getting around this. In order to be a successful NFL QB, the player has to be able to make the right presnap reads & adjustments. NFL defenses are not going to get less sophisticated anytime soon.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:56 pm to cardboardboxer
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he looked good before his injury.
This was my point, duel threat QBs don't last in the NFL, outside of few exceptions (Vick).
The air raid type spreads haven't yielded QBs who have been successful (Brennan).
The athletes and schemes on the defensive side of the ball are too good for predetermined plays in the passing game, risk of injury is too high for the read/option.
The fact the Spread QBs don't know how to read a defense is the problem, not the OCs refusal to tailor the offense to them (they can't because predetermined pass plays won't work).
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:01 pm to cardboardboxer
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To be fair to RG3, who I hate, he looked good before his injury.
The NFL also made a rule change after RG3's rookie season. It made QB's carrying out zone read fakes open to be hit like a running back even if they handed the ball off. The rule takes away all the protections that a passer has in the pocket. This is why the NFL released a statement a few weeks ago that Terrell Suggs shouldn't have been flagged on a hit on Sam Bradford when he was carrying out a zone read handoff.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:01 pm to TTsTowel
quote:Did I saw Nick Marshall's passing was shitty?
Nick Marshall's passing wasn't shitty in 2014, and he improved dramatically as 2013 went on.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:03 pm to DaleDenton
Mike Vick is a bad example. He started the first 6 years of his career (and missed a total of 22 games), then missed two years because he went to prison on dog fighting charges, and he has since missed 32 starts after his return. He is now a glorified back-up quarterback that is prone to turning the ball over.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:04 pm to MontyFranklyn
If I say yes, do we meet at Sonic next?
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:05 pm to DaleDenton
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This was my point, duel threat QBs don't last in the NFL
You can't predict injuries, which is why I didn't get your point at first. Not everyone accepts Bert's word as gospal that everything but old man football is an injury waiting to happen.
I do think the spread has had a place in the NFL the last ten plus years. Not the full concept, but the idea of getting the ball to playmakers in open space rather than just pound the middle to death has changed the game. Tom Brady to Wes Welker was a Xerox of everything a Mike Leach Texas Tech program did well.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:06 pm to DuncanIdaho
Nobody's passing looked shitty against our defense you big vag.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:06 pm to kilo
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The spread isnt something new.
This is true. The formations & route combinations come from the run & shoot & the Buffalo Bills K Gun offense. The zone read, pistol & check with me concepts are fairly new.
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