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Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:47 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:47 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
That many people have. Hell, Richard Sherman even said it.
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"The only reason it bothers me is that it seems like it’s the accepted way of calling people the n-word nowadays. … What’s the definition of a thug, really? Can a guy on the football field, just talking to people — maybe I’m talking loudly, or doing something I’m not supposed to be. But there was a hockey game where they didn’t even play hockey, they just threw the puck aside and started fighting. I saw that and I thought, 'Oh man, I’m a thug?' So I’m really disappointed in being called a thug."
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:51 pm to CNB
I'm sure "they just started fighting" and that's an apples to oranges comparison. When I think of fighting in sports, Im thinking of boxing, MMA, and hockey before I'm thinking of football. Fighting is more of an appeal in hockey than it is in football.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:54 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
You just completely missed the point of his quote, but alright.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:55 pm to CNB
Not really haha, but alright.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:56 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
Explain to me his point then. What's he trying to say?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 5:59 pm to CNB
Sherman is right. It is textbook stereotyping. It goes both ways though, Stanford's runningback said something similar about how he gets stereotyped because he's white. All white athletes are "tough", not "explosive" or "talented"
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:01 pm to TulaneFan
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Sherman is right. It is textbook stereotyping. It goes both ways though, Stanford's runningback said something similar about how he gets stereotyped because he's white. All white athletes are "tough", not "explosive" or "talented"
I agree fully. I remember a picture that had a white silhouette and a black one, and had the common terms for each side. I wish I could find that picture again.
Wow wasn't as hard as I thought to find
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:06 pm to CNB
My theory is the reason it is so associated with someone that is black is because what American society views as a "thug" today was bred and incubated by hip-hop and rap culture. A certain lifestyle, way of speaking, became intertwined with it. It's hard to disassociate the 2 now. I think that culture changed the meaning of the word thug in America. Hell hip hop and rap culture is the king of social slang creation. The word isn't so much about its literal meaning anymore but about the guy you see in the video glorifying the lifestyle
I mean I guess like any other word that societal meaning changes for over time, It's driven by pop culture and it's even easier to do so now with social media
I mean I guess like any other word that societal meaning changes for over time, It's driven by pop culture and it's even easier to do so now with social media
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:10 pm to ThePoo
Cam and Hootie did a good job fulfilling that role. Although they got off scott free
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:10 pm to ThePoo
I won't disagree with that. A lot of black people embrace the word. Same as the N-word (with the a, not the hard er) or gangster.
That doesn't mean that every black person enjoys being called that though, especially if they haven't committed a violent act. That was my problem with the OP.
That doesn't mean that every black person enjoys being called that though, especially if they haven't committed a violent act. That was my problem with the OP.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:14 pm to nc14
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Well that's an interesting conclusion, but not shocking from you.
Try thinking outside your little sphere for a little while. You might learn something.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:18 pm to CNB
In a nutshell, he is trying to compare fighting in hockey (fighting/violence being synonymous with "thug behavior") to fighting in football, and ultimately comparing the two demographics that make up each sport. He is suggesting we're more inclined, due to racism, to refer to fighting in football as "thug behavior" because of the majority demographic (African-Americans) that populate the sport vs hockey demographics. My problem, objectively speaking, is the sports are completely different. Please correct me if I am wrong that breakout fights in hockey aren't more common/acceptable to the sport than they are in American football. I don't follow hockey closely, but that has always been my impression when watching the sport vs football. Case and point, Wayne Gretsky hockey on N64 allowed for the ability to fight players during the game, as that happens in hockey. I can't recall being able to do the same thing in *any* football game (NFL Blitz doesn't count). Different sports.
Sherman's point would have more validity had he compared a football team that is predominantly white to a *another football team* that is predominantly black. If I was calling fighting on the predominantly black team "thug behavior", and I was calling fighting on the predominantly white team "normal behavior that comes with the sport and its emotions", then sure. But he compared fighting between two different demographics in two different sports.
Now, tell me your interpretation (or what he really meant).
Sherman's point would have more validity had he compared a football team that is predominantly white to a *another football team* that is predominantly black. If I was calling fighting on the predominantly black team "thug behavior", and I was calling fighting on the predominantly white team "normal behavior that comes with the sport and its emotions", then sure. But he compared fighting between two different demographics in two different sports.
Now, tell me your interpretation (or what he really meant).
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 6:24 pm to CNB
I'm not saying they enjoy it I just think we have a tendency to associate thug with black not because we associate black with violent criminal but because we associate the people, either because the way they speak, dress, carry themselves, with what we see in the video singing about being a "thug"
It's interesting to view in comparison to the N-word. Black culture appropriated the n-word (a word used to describe them) from white culture and changed it. But thug, black culture first appropropriated it (a word prior probably predominately used to described white people) and changed it to describe them then later whites adopted. Somewhat of the reverse
I do think that when black culture appropriates a word Uses that word to describe themselves or their lifestyle or simply as a greeting. That work immediately becomes off limits to white culture in their eyes and in the eyes of many because we have no grounds for relation. Our use would be superficial in their view because of there is no common ground
It's interesting to view in comparison to the N-word. Black culture appropriated the n-word (a word used to describe them) from white culture and changed it. But thug, black culture first appropropriated it (a word prior probably predominately used to described white people) and changed it to describe them then later whites adopted. Somewhat of the reverse
I do think that when black culture appropriates a word Uses that word to describe themselves or their lifestyle or simply as a greeting. That work immediately becomes off limits to white culture in their eyes and in the eyes of many because we have no grounds for relation. Our use would be superficial in their view because of there is no common ground
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:02 pm to LSU Patrick
Okay, I'll keep an eye out honey
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:07 pm to BHMKyle
quote:agree completely
Someone please point out that had any other two individuals been arrested in a car with a stolen gun, weed, etc. at 4:00 AM they would for sure have "had their lives ruined" as the DA made clear he did not want to do.
Had those two kids been just your average thug with no athletic future, they'd be behind bars for a very long time. It would be nice if the usual culprits in the media (Jon Soloman, Dennis Dodd, etc.) would remember this next time they want to pen one of their "modern-day slavery" columns.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:12 pm to BHMKyle
Had a friend's kid at LSU get busted for a joint.
Cost my buddy about 7500 dollars.
They kicked him out of dorm.
Cost my buddy about 7500 dollars.
They kicked him out of dorm.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:24 pm to makersmark1
What year was that?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:56 pm to CNB
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Jesus why don't you just call them the N word
Easy there killer! May want to slow your roll!
But seriously, didn't Obama already try to get rid of words like this by calling criminals, justice involved citizens?
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:36 pm to BHMKyle
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Someone please point out that had any other two individuals been arrested in a car with a stolen gun, weed, etc. at 4:00 AM they would for sure have "had their lives ruined" as the DA made clear he did not want to do.
not if they were wealthy and white!
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:43 pm to BHMKyle
This is a terrible argument.
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