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re: "Never say never" - The Dabo Speaks
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:55 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:55 pm to TideWarrior
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Let me see:
Be considered the greatest coach ever at Clemson
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Be mentioned as one of the greatest at Alabama along side names like the Bear and Saban.
I think I would go with the latter. No matter what he does at Clemson it will never compare nationally to what one could do at a traditional powerhouse like Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, etc. Just saying
I wouldn't doubt deep down he would want to go to Alabama and win a championship. I'm sure that is a dream of his but like I said...Clemson has all the resources right now that would be foolish just to pass up. While Clemson's history might never match up to one of the traditional powerhouses....it is no denying that he has already beat two of the best head coaches in the CFB history and has proven that Clemson can play and compete with the traditional powerhouses in CFB. Lets face it...we don't know what he will do in a few years but the way I see it is....do you want to follow in the footsteps of legends or do you want others to follow in your footsteps because you are the legend?
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
He gone.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:59 pm to CobraCommander83
Couldn't the same be said for Saban. He had it all at LSU and had that program before he left no different then where Clemson is now. He then decided to make a name for himself at Alabama and follow the legend of the Bear. And Saban has no ties to the state or program. Just saying.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:08 pm to CobraCommander83
What makes you think Dabo won't keep winning? And FSU has won the ACC a few times while he's been here and Clemson fans still love him. Even when Clemson loses, all the fans rally around what Dabo says. And look up how many 10 win seasons Clemson has in a row now. He's been really consistent.
We don't expect a national championship and playoffs and all this stuff every year, but when Dabo is bringing in all of these big recruits and telling us that we are going to be good, why wouldn't we believe him? Im definitely enjoying it, it's getting really expensive tho lol
We don't expect a national championship and playoffs and all this stuff every year, but when Dabo is bringing in all of these big recruits and telling us that we are going to be good, why wouldn't we believe him? Im definitely enjoying it, it's getting really expensive tho lol
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:12 pm to TideWarrior
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Let me see:
Be considered the greatest coach ever at Clemson
or
Be mentioned as one of the greatest at Alabama along side names like the Bear and Saban.
I think I would go with the latter. No matter what he does at Clemson it will never compare nationally to what one could do at a traditional powerhouse like Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, etc. Just saying
The Bear won 6 national titles at Bama. Saban has won 4 there and played for a fifth last year. Saban has lost more than one regular season game at Bama since 2008, only once. Bama would have been in the playoff every season since 2008, except 2010.
Dabo would have to win a minimum of 3 national titles and more than likely four or 5 to be considered anywhere near as great as Saban or the Bear.
That's a frickton of pressure and expectations
It's not about who has more tradition or prestige, obviously Bama has many more things going on than Clemson. It's about expectations and tradition.
At Bama, it's usually SEC championship or bust and you have to play the West every year, at Clemson, he has low expectations and low pressure because he has built the program up himself. He also knows that he has about 9 wins for sure every year there.
It's not that I wouldn't like him to replace Saban, though he reminds me a lot of Les Miles in his quirkyness. Though a much better coach than Miles. It's just that he has it made where he is and has a lot more to lose at Bama, than he does at Clemson.
It's just a pragmatic viewpoint, all the things that Bama fans think of as reasons why he'd come here, are actually reasons that would make the pressure and expectations much higher for him at Bama than at Clemson.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:26 pm to 19812016
Yes, FSU has won the ACC championship a few times but not during this playoff run Clemson is having. Clemson has been consistent over the last few years but being in the playoffs the last two years and winning the NC has only raised the expectations. If I was a fan, yes making the playoffs every year would be my expectation. I wouldn't want it to be any different than Bama, Ohio State, OU, etc. If it is differnt, then they should just hire Tommy Bowden back. Dabo may just keep winning but all great runs will eventually comes to an end.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:29 pm to CobraCommander83
Dabo expects it so yeah I guess we do too. Best is the standard
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:36 pm to Othello
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The Bear won 6 national titles at Bama. Saban has won 4 there and played for a fifth last year. Saban has lost more than one regular season game at Bama since 2008, only once. Bama would have been in the playoff every season since 2008, except 2010.
Dabo is only 47 and appears to be on the verge of making the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row. At Clemson.
Bear didn't win a title at Maryland, Kentucky or A&M.
Saban won one title at a Top 10 program in LSU.
They found exponentially more success coaching at Alabama. Given Dabo's recent run I'd say he stands more likely to follow that pattern than fail to meet expectations.
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Dabo would have to win a minimum of 3 national titles and more than likely four or 5 to be considered anywhere near as great as Saban or the Bear.
If he got the job 7 years from now he'd still be younger than Saban was when he took the Alabama job and he probably wouldn't have to resurrect the program from a probation ravaged decade.
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That's a frickton of pressure and expectations
It's not about who has more tradition or prestige, obviously Bama has many more things going on than Clemson. It's about expectations and tradition.
If he maintains his current pace the expectations would be just as high at Clemson.
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At Bama, it's usually SEC championship or bust and you have to play the West every year, at Clemson, he has low expectations and low pressure because he has built the program up himself. He also knows that he has about 9 wins for sure every year there.
See my post above regarding expectations.
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It's not that I wouldn't like him to replace Saban, though he reminds me a lot of Les Miles in his quirkyness. Though a much better coach than Miles. It's just that he has it made where he is and has a lot more to lose at Bama, than he does at Clemson.
His coaching style seems to work just fine. He absolutely obliterated Urban Meyer last year and bitch slapped Bob Stoops in the playoffs two years ago.
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It's just a pragmatic viewpoint, all the things that Bama fans think of as reasons why he'd come here, are actually reasons that would make the pressure and expectations much higher for him at Bama than at Clemson.
Alabama won zero titles for 17 straight years before 2009. I think we could survive playing for one every other year.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:39 pm to Othello
I hope you're a Clemson fan after that diatribe.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:51 pm to TideSaint
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If he maintains his current pace the expectations would be just as high at Clemson.
He created those expectations at Clemson. That's a lot different than following in other's footsteps.
Also you can't compare the recent success at Clemson and it's 2 overall natinal titles to Alabama's 16 natty's and Saban's current unprecedented run.
Otherwise, you're saying the expectations at Clemson are just as high. Which is just plain wrong. It would be closer if Bowden had won 4 natty's and then Dabo came in and did what he's doing.
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His coaching style seems to work just fine. He absolutely obliterated Urban Meyer last year and bitch slapped Bob Stoops in the playoffs two years ago.
I didn't criticize his coaching style at all. He just reminds me of Les because he's goofy as hell. But his players love him, so that's fine.
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Alabama won zero titles for 17 straight years before 2009. I think we could survive playing for one every other year.
You're assuming that he would compete for one often or win one at Bama. We don't know that for sure. If he replaced Saban, it is likely that he'd win, or compete often for them, but we don't know that for certain.
He is worshipped at Clemson for being their best coach ever. He would have to do a lot more than what he's done at Clemson, to get anywhere near the respect at Bama that he has there.
I remember when Bear retired. Nobody wanted that job and Bear was losing 3 games a year at the end and still no one wanted to step into that.
Then Ray Perkins stepped in and immediately got shite on.
And everyone loved Shula at first, till he started losing games. Obviously, Dabo is an infinitely better coach than Shula, and Shula had to deal with no spring practice and probation. But Bama fans turn quickly on people when they aren't winning the vast majority of their games.
How's Jimbo doing at FSU? He's feeling the heat. And he's a damn good coach. Obviously, losing his QB fricked his whole season up but the natives are getting restless and Bowden wasn't competing for titles in his last several years. Jimbo's job isn't in jeopardy, but he's feeling the pressure of a pissed-off fan base.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:05 pm to Othello
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He created those expectations at Clemson. That's a lot different than following in other's footsteps.
Also you can't compare the recent success at Clemson and it's 2 overall natinal titles to Alabama's 16 natty's and Saban's current unprecedented run.
Otherwise, you're saying the expectations at Clemson are just as high. Which is just plain wrong. It would be closer if Bowden had won 4 natty's and then Dabo came in and did what he's doing.
According to the Clemson fans in this thread they expect to play for championships every year moving forward. How is that any different than Alabama fans?
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I didn't criticize his coaching style at all. He just reminds me of Les because he's goofy as hell. But his players love him, so that's fine.
He's not nearly as goofy now as he was 7 years ago. Is he passionate? Hell yeah. He's certainly reaping the benefits of that passion on the recruiting trail right now. He's got 2 of the top 3 players in the country committed and one is a Tennessee legacy.
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You're assuming that he would compete for one often or win one at Bama. We don't know that for sure. If he replaced Saban, it is likely that he'd win, or compete often for them, but we don't know that for certain.
He is worshipped at Clemson for being their best coach ever. He would have to do a lot more than what he's done at Clemson, to get anywhere near the respect at Bama that he has there.
I remember when Bear retired. Nobody wanted that job and Bear was losing 3 games a year at the end and still no one wanted to step into that.
Then Ray Perkins stepped in and immediately got shite on.
And everyone loved Shula at first, till he started losing games. Obviously, Dabo is an infinitely better coach than Shula, and Shula had to deal with no spring practice and probation. But Bama fans turn quickly on people when they aren't winning the vast majority of their games.
Nobody loved Shula at first. He was a deer in headlights. They loved him in 2005 when he started out 10-0, but he didn't show anything near the consistency or recruiting prowess that Dabo has.
Winning 10 games in a season once over four years won't cut it at any of the Top 15 programs in the country. If not Dabo, who would you like to see Alabama hire as an Alabama fan?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:27 pm to TideSaint
I would love for Dabo to come home. Only he and Meyer (who is great, but I don't want at Bama) could come close IMO to what Saban is doing. Herman would be great too, but he has his dream job, though with enough money LSU could have had him for a while, IMO.
I never said I didn't want Dabo, just that the expectations and pressure being what they are, he will more than likely stay at Clemson, at least when Saban steps down.
I don't like his goofyness, but Dabo is an outstanding coach. And his ability to recruit and then to develop those recruits, is extremely praiseworthy. Plus, the kids love him and I think that's great.
I'm just saying that there are a lot more factors at play than just Bama's tradition, legacy, and the fact that he is a confident young coach who loves his alma-mater.
If it were only about his love for Bama and Bama's legacy as the best CFB program of all-time, he'd be there in a millisecond.
But from a logistics perspective of pressure and expectations and having to face the West every year for a shot at the SEC title, let alone playoff spot, he has it made at Clemson and has much more rope to hang himself with.
Anyone who is taking my argument as a knock on Alabama's legacy, prestige, Dabo's love for Bama, or Bama's dominance is misinterpreting my message.
It's kind of like the Milton quote from Paradise Lost, "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven."
He's the Emperor, the unquestioned king of Clemson, but at Bama he'd be just another great coach in a long line of many of college football's greatest coaches.
I never said I didn't want Dabo, just that the expectations and pressure being what they are, he will more than likely stay at Clemson, at least when Saban steps down.
I don't like his goofyness, but Dabo is an outstanding coach. And his ability to recruit and then to develop those recruits, is extremely praiseworthy. Plus, the kids love him and I think that's great.
I'm just saying that there are a lot more factors at play than just Bama's tradition, legacy, and the fact that he is a confident young coach who loves his alma-mater.
If it were only about his love for Bama and Bama's legacy as the best CFB program of all-time, he'd be there in a millisecond.
But from a logistics perspective of pressure and expectations and having to face the West every year for a shot at the SEC title, let alone playoff spot, he has it made at Clemson and has much more rope to hang himself with.
Anyone who is taking my argument as a knock on Alabama's legacy, prestige, Dabo's love for Bama, or Bama's dominance is misinterpreting my message.
It's kind of like the Milton quote from Paradise Lost, "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven."
He's the Emperor, the unquestioned king of Clemson, but at Bama he'd be just another great coach in a long line of many of college football's greatest coaches.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:33 pm to Othello
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I never said I didn't want Dabo, just that the expectations and pressure being what they are, he will more than likely stay at Clemson, at least when Saban steps down.
Based on what? High expectations?
He played and coached at Alabama and is from Pelham.
I have a buddy whose family is very close with Dabo's. The only way he turns Alabama down, and this is supposedly from his own mouth, is if Alabama doesn't make him the clear #1 candidate. He doesn't want to be a second or third choice and with his resume I don't blame him.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:39 pm to TideSaint
Yes expectations and having to coach in the SEC, which might be a bit down right now but is far superior traditionally to the ACC. Also by the time Saban retires, the SEC could be a lot better. We don't know how many years Saban has left.
Why are you guys so offended that he might not want to replace the greatest college coach of all-time and step into expectations that he had nothing to do with. If anything, his success at Clemson would only make expectations at Bama even higher. How would that be a knock on Bama if he stayed where he calls the shots and has built his own legacy?
Why are you guys so offended that he might not want to replace the greatest college coach of all-time and step into expectations that he had nothing to do with. If anything, his success at Clemson would only make expectations at Bama even higher. How would that be a knock on Bama if he stayed where he calls the shots and has built his own legacy?
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:49 pm to Othello
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Why are you guys so offended that he might not want to replace the greatest college coach of all-time and step into expectations that he had nothing to do with.
Who is offended?
Pointing out someone making absolute statements regarding an individual they have zero contact with isn't being offended.
We aren't the ones stating he won't take the Alabama job as fact. That's where the argument lies.
We're saying the reasons you are pointing out wouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things because he's creating high expectations on his own. If he maintains his current pace the expectations at Clemson in 2024 would be the same at Alabama.
Will he take the Alabama job if offered? Who knows?
Based on his recent comments you'd be stupid to not acknowledge that he hasn't seriously considered it.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:58 pm to TideSaint
And Zuckerberg might become the Apple CEO if he were offered the gig. But I don't think anyone could blame him if he just stayed on controlling Facebook as CEO.
I'm using logic, though it often fails.
The rest of the Bama fans are assuming that because Dabo loves Bama so much and that he's competitive, that he'll drop everything on a whim to coach at Bama where Saban is putting on a run that no one will probably ever come close to repeating.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, but I am trying to tell my fellow Bama fans, don't get your hopes up.
He also said today that he doesn't need to go anywhere bigger to prove anything and that he has all the resources and available talent at his disposal right where he is.
Of course he'll strongly consider it, he loves him some Bama forever, but I personally just don't see it happening when Saban retires.
Either way, it's not a crime to think he stays at Clemson and that, IMO, which is all it is, that him staying is the more logical possibility.
I'll say it again, I hope he does replace Saban. But I sure won't get my hopes up after seeing how Bear was replaced.
I'm using logic, though it often fails.
The rest of the Bama fans are assuming that because Dabo loves Bama so much and that he's competitive, that he'll drop everything on a whim to coach at Bama where Saban is putting on a run that no one will probably ever come close to repeating.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, but I am trying to tell my fellow Bama fans, don't get your hopes up.
He also said today that he doesn't need to go anywhere bigger to prove anything and that he has all the resources and available talent at his disposal right where he is.
Of course he'll strongly consider it, he loves him some Bama forever, but I personally just don't see it happening when Saban retires.
Either way, it's not a crime to think he stays at Clemson and that, IMO, which is all it is, that him staying is the more logical possibility.
I'll say it again, I hope he does replace Saban. But I sure won't get my hopes up after seeing how Bear was replaced.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:08 pm to Othello
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And Zuckerberg might become the Apple CEO if he were offered the gig. But I don't think anyone could blame him if he just stayed on controlling Facebook as CEO.
Well they are the most valuable company on the planet. If they offered I'm sure he would listen. The difference is he didn't start out working for them and hold a management position for almost a decade. He also didn't grow up 45 minutes from their campus.
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The rest of the Bama fans are assuming that because Dabo loves Bama so much and that he's competitive, that he'll drop everything on a whim to coach at Bama where Saban is putting on a run that no one will probably ever come close to repeating.
Who's to say Dabo wouldn't take it as a challenge to become the absolute greatest coach Alabama has ever had? We don't know what drives him.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone, but I am trying to tell my fellow Bama fans, don't get your hopes up.
I don't think anyone has hopes for something that may or may not happen 7 years from now. We're just responding to Dabo's own statements.
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He also said today that he doesn't need to go anywhere bigger to prove anything and that he has all the resources and available talent at his disposal right where he is.
What is he supposed to say?
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Of course he'll strongly consider it, he loves him some Bama forever, but I personally just don't see it happening when Saban rrtires.
Again, he may take it if offered or he won't. You won't see me making definitive statements about it either way.
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Either way, it's not a crime to think he stays at Clemson and that, IMO, which is all it is, that him staying is the more logical possibility.
Logic has nothing to do with it when you don't know the individual on a personal level. It's all speculation.
As I have posted multiple times on this board (including this thread) and the Bama board, Dabo wants the Alabama job. Will he get it? We'll find out in 7 or 8 years.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:11 pm to Othello
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I'll say it again, I hope he does replace Saban. But I sure won't get my hopes up after seeing how Bear was replaced.
You posted this after my response so I'll comment here. We don't have near the nepotism in our administration now like we did in 82.
Byrne isn't a Bama grad. I expect him to hire the best man for the job regardless of their connections to UA. It just so happens the best potential candidate, at this time, is an Alabama alum. In 7 years he may not be.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:11 pm to TideSaint
I don't wanna argue with my fellow Bama fans. I hope I'm wrong about all this. I just am not going to my hopes up is all.
And I trust your sources that it'd be extremely difficult for him to say no. Sometimes though when it's high risk/high reward people go with the safer bet of staying in a successful position.
Again, I hope I'm wrong and if I am, then I'll be thrilled. But if I'm right, I won't be sad or angry at Dabo.
And I trust your sources that it'd be extremely difficult for him to say no. Sometimes though when it's high risk/high reward people go with the safer bet of staying in a successful position.
Again, I hope I'm wrong and if I am, then I'll be thrilled. But if I'm right, I won't be sad or angry at Dabo.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:17 pm to Othello
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I don't wanna argue with my fellow Bama fans.
I don't think we are arguing. You are presenting a point of view and so am I. There's no animosity.
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And I trust your sources that it'd be extremely difficult for him to say no. Sometimes though when it's high risk/high reward people go with the safer bet of staying in a successful position.
Maybe. Maybe not. Again, I don't know what drives Dabo.
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Again, I hope I'm wrong and if I am, then I'll be thrilled. But if I'm right, I won't be sad or angry at Dabo.
I wasn't mad at Dabo when they beat us last year. Steve Sarkisian is another story.
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