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re: Mizzou fans: Do you think Pinkel needs to go?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Straws - you make some great points. But Muschamp was there only 4 yrs? Pinkel brought Mizzou out of living FB hell from over a decade ago. Muschamp didn't. That's the difference.
That's why I call for a FULL offensive coaches/analyst firing. Kinda a fresh start on that side of the ball.
Pink is gonna leave when he says it's time. He's earned that. If he runs Mizzou back into the ground before then, we know who to blame. If blame does anything for ya.
That's why I call for a FULL offensive coaches/analyst firing. Kinda a fresh start on that side of the ball.
Pink is gonna leave when he says it's time. He's earned that. If he runs Mizzou back into the ground before then, we know who to blame. If blame does anything for ya.
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
Bluegrass - please totally ignore Jagd. We do.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:12 pm to Mizzou Mule
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Straws - you make some great points. But Muschamp was there only 4 yrs? Pinkel brought Mizzou out of living FB hell from over a decade ago. Muschamp didn't. That's the difference.
Pink is gonna leave when he says it's time. He's earned that.
Ehhhhh, this is business, man. It has nothing to do with being nice to people. He's there to win games, you win games by scoring points. 12 points in three games is pretty awful, especially when one of those teams was Vanderbilt. There's a chance you won't make it to a bowl this year.
Mississippi State, BYU, Tennessee and then @Arkansas. Which of those two teams do you think you guys have a great chance at beating? That's JUST to make a bowl.
It's very plausible that you guys end 4 - 8. Muschamp numbers. Change the OC, next year maybe get 7 wins, maybe. I'd get rid of him at this point, but of course it's easy 'cause the man's done nothing for me.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:13 pm to Mizzou Mule
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Pink is gonna leave when he says it's time. He's earned that.
I wouldn't go that far. This isn't his position indefinitely just because he's sat in the seat and done better than others that have recently sat there.
When you're getting that kind of money, it's really a "What have you done for me lately" position. It should be.
Pinkel has earned the right to turn it around based on his past performance. He has not earned the right to take it back to where it was.
If next year ends up like it appears this year will, I start calling for his head.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:15 pm to Mizzeaux
If it gets bad next year, they (the powers that be) will get him to retire. It will not be a public lynching.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:17 pm to Mizzou Mule
Straws - I hear ya. We're not making a bowl.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:17 pm to Mizzeaux
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Pinkel has earned the right to turn it around based on his past performance. He has not earned the right to take it back to where it was.
If next year ends up like it appears this year will, I start calling for his head.
thank god we're not all deranged enough to leave it at "he can do whatever he wants". This fanbase sometimes(often) is amusingly childlike in its bewilderment and ambivalence.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:18 pm to Aux Arc
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The worst thing we could do is get rid of Pinkel in a down point in the program. He is the winningest coach in school history.
Not always a bad thing. Spurrier retired (we didn't "get rid of him") and once Elliott took over we actually won a game. The attitude of our team has improved drastically as has their work ethic and belief in the program as a whole since the change. We still have a shite ton of assistants to give the boot to...they will definitely be "gotten rid of."
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:22 pm to Carolina_Girl
Yep, the Spurrier and Pinkel situations are somewhat similar. HBC made a choice. Would USCe have fired the HBC...my guess is no. Let's see what Pinkel decides?
Maybe Pink wants to coach Miami U? Ride out like Schnellenberger.
I'm okay with Pink retiring or quitting for another team. I'm very concerned with the Mizzou coaching next year.
Maybe Pink wants to coach Miami U? Ride out like Schnellenberger.
I'm okay with Pink retiring or quitting for another team. I'm very concerned with the Mizzou coaching next year.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:24 pm to Carolina_Girl
yea the "winningest in school history" is really more rhetorical bullshite, he's not the "winningest" by percentage, he has piled up more cumulative wins largely out of shear length of tenure and the ability to go to 6-win bowl games that didn't exist that long ago.
Of the top 25 paid coaches, Pinkel is very close to the bottom in actual winning %. The "we won X games in Y years" or "we put X players in the NFL in Y years" is a great recruiting ploy for HS kids, for adults to judge a program performance level by, not so much.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Mississippi State, BYU, Tennessee and then @Arkansas. Which of those two teams do you think you guys have a great chance at beating? That's JUST to make a bowl.
I know what kind of replies I'll get but with our D we can win all of them but only IF the offense improves to just being bad....yep big 'if'.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:42 pm to Wtodd
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I know what kind of replies I'll get but with our D we can win all of them but only IF the offense improves to just being bad....yep big 'if'.
I'm sorry, but if you can barely score 12 points in three games, I don't think it's even marginally feasible to expect to hold all four of those teams below three points.
If your offense can't score, it makes it so much harder to win, no matter how good your defense is.
Ever seen Muschamp ball? It's where you're headed, and it fricking sucks. It's terrifying, you never feel secure with your team and the longer it stays, the worse it gets.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
Seems to me it'd be foolish to fire him
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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IF the offense improves to just being bad
You missed this part of my post
Yes I saw Muschamp ball first hand....actually it was kinda sad watching thousands of Gator fans exit the Swamp at the end of the 3rd quarter last year during the Mizzou game WHILE they chanted "Fire Muschamp"....kinda sad but not really
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:48 pm to Wtodd
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You missed this part of my post
Yes I saw Muschamp ball first hand....actually it was kinda sad watching thousands of Gator fans exit the Swamp at the end of the 3rd quarter last year during the Mizzou game WHILE they chanted "Fire Muschamp"....kinda sad but not really
We knew when we had a bad coach, the saddest part is when a fanbase thinks that it's just an "OC problem", and they keep making excuses for a guy who has either lost his edge, in the case of Muschamp never had it, or a guy who simply isn't cut out to be a head coach at their program anymore.
Imagine how ecstatic you would be if we kept Muschamp, that's how I feel about Pinkel.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:51 pm to Jagd Tiger
Pinkel is fine with me because he started from pretty much nothing. Smith broke to wall to winning seasons for an entire generation of Mizzou fans. Pinkel has taken that start and got to division titles and major bowls.
Those stats mean something to me because the Holiday Bowl was a huge deal when it happened, Olivo taking reps on an NFL Special Teams squad was huge for the program, etc.
Like I said before, these are all foundations. Getting into the crew that wins an SEC Championship is tough as shite. When's the last time a program won their first national championship? Florida in the 90s?
This takes a while. Making a switch at the top doesn't drive championships, changing people's mindset does.
What you're doing is a good thing, demanding wins and championships and even expecting them is something a generation of Mizzou fans hasn't been able to do since many of our fathers were rooting for the Tigers.
There's just got to be an appreciation for what's been done, and failed, in the past. These things don't happen in a vacuum, and what Pinkel has done at a program where it hasn't been done in recent memory earns him a little more latitude, a lot more than calling for his head in favor of the new young up and coming coach after a crap season.
Those stats mean something to me because the Holiday Bowl was a huge deal when it happened, Olivo taking reps on an NFL Special Teams squad was huge for the program, etc.
Like I said before, these are all foundations. Getting into the crew that wins an SEC Championship is tough as shite. When's the last time a program won their first national championship? Florida in the 90s?
This takes a while. Making a switch at the top doesn't drive championships, changing people's mindset does.
What you're doing is a good thing, demanding wins and championships and even expecting them is something a generation of Mizzou fans hasn't been able to do since many of our fathers were rooting for the Tigers.
There's just got to be an appreciation for what's been done, and failed, in the past. These things don't happen in a vacuum, and what Pinkel has done at a program where it hasn't been done in recent memory earns him a little more latitude, a lot more than calling for his head in favor of the new young up and coming coach after a crap season.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Imagine how ecstatic you would be if we kept Muschamp, that's how I feel about Pinkel.
"hey, we're just happy to be here"
- avg mizzou fan
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:51 pm to Mizzou Mule
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Pinkel will leave when he says it's time to hang 'em up. He's earned that. I lived the bleak Woody and Stull years.
I say that Offensive coaches heads need to roll at year end. Starting with Henson and Ricker, minimum. I've been calling for a FULL firing of ALL O coaches/analyst. Then Pink needs to make BIG hires that get positive PR. Then recruit and coach like hell.
We need a true QB coach.
Jagd is super wacky and represents himself only.
Agreed on almost all counts. But I at least got to experience the end of the Warren Powers years, before Babs ruined the athletic program.
I'm hoping our new AD has the balls to lean on GP to make some changes in the offensive coaching. GP is big on loyalty, you know. But it is desperately needed.
After watching the Georgia game, I really felt that had our receivers made a few more plays on catchable passes, we would have won that game. But the Vandy game was really depressing. Our offense was completely lost.
I know, freshman QB, young receivers, but there is no excuse for our OL to be this bad. They are mostly seniors and have regressed A LOT.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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isn't cut out to be a head coach at their program anymore.
Some are cut out to be HCs but most aren't; Muschamp & Kiffin both fall into this category.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:58 pm to Mizzeaux
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What you're doing is a good thing, demanding wins and championships and even expecting them is something a generation of Mizzou fans hasn't been able to do since many of our fathers were rooting for the Tigers.
There's just got to be an appreciation for what's been done, and failed, in the past.
no not really, what I'm "demanding" is a level of expectation that "we do what we do" and calling division wins "championships" esp ones you DIDN'T EVEN WIN, are not really what top level program do as a "system".
I'm fine w/ giving Gary his "due", lets take the money from his salary and put it into the new "Pinkel coaching lounge" in the new south end rebuild/expansion, and move on, you've done an outstanding job making us a barely over .500 team in 15 years, Gary, we'll take it from here".
That's more than enough for a coach whose career high water mark includes no conference championships. We already know that Pinkel doesn't accept anyone questioning his coaching ability so the idea we are going to "demand an OC change" is already off the table.
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