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re: Mississippi should be good at football too.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:48 pm to sorantable
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:48 pm to sorantable
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There's no reason Ole Miss and Mississippi State shouldn't be having the same success as other schools that are close by (Bama, LSU, etc.).
What are the reasons for the continued mediocrity?
MS is a small state with two major universities
Population MS - 2.9M
Compare that with:
Population AL - 4.8M
Population LA - 4.6M
Population TX - 25.7M
Population FL - 19M
Population GA - 9.8M
Alabama has a great history and perhaps the best coach/recruiter in college football right now - the Mississippi schools have neither reputation. LSU is the proverbial big fish in a small pond (sharing great talent with no one in state). Major schools like Texas, Florida, and Georgia also have a leg up with their reputations and population bases - tho all of them have other major football programs in their state.
It is debatable but I think if MSU and Ole Miss were to be consolidated into one university with one football program they would be a powerhouse (MS would still be a small state at 2/3rds the size of Louisiana but they have a lot of talent per capita)
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:48 pm to Cdawg
Wasn't Zach Smith from Alabama?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:50 pm to MaroonNation
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If MS changed its grading system to that used in Alabama we would be more competitive. Alabama schools graduate kids that would flunk out in MS schools
The Common Core is doing this to make all high schools in the country on the same standards. It's an Obama idea.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:51 pm to Mohican
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Really a TON of academic casualties litter the Dandy Dozen over the years. Lots of headcases.
Yup. Specifically, South Panola in Batesville is an absolute football stud factory - only the don't get their guys qualified.
It is to the point where if I see a guy from South Panola on one of our recruiting lists on rivals or scout I just write that player off. We don't offer those guys and most don't qualify.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:54 pm to TxTiger82
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It is to the point where if I see a guy from South Panola on one of our recruiting lists on rivals or scout I just write that player off. We don't offer those guys and most don't qualify.
That's just dumb then. We have had a ton of SP players be successful at OM in the last decade and go on to be damn good players in the NFL.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:59 pm to HottyToddy7
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That's just dumb then.
Is it?
LINK
2002
Chris Herring – went Juco, then to Southern Arkansas.
2004
Reterio Brown – redshirted, never played a game
Peria Jerry – 1st round pick to the Falcons
JaMarca Sanford – 7th round pick to the Vikings
2005
John Jerry – 3rd round pick to Miami
Travis Sanford – Didn’t qualify
2007
Chris Strong – One year, quit the team
LeRoy Diggs – Went to Juco
2008
Darius Barksdale- Left Ole Miss after first spring. Then to Jacksonville State
2010
Nicholas Parker – redshirted in 2010, didn’t play in 2011.
2011
Nickolas Brassell – Played as true freshman but in academic trouble.
Y'all got some guys who did pan out (3 NFL players), but there are a lot more who didn't. That's not a good percentage. Why would we waste our resources on South Panola guys who probably won't make it?
Heck, even some of the guys who DID make it (like Perry and Jerry) had to go the long route to make it to Ole Miss and barely did. Perry was almost another academic casualty.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:01 pm to OBReb6
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If we didn't have all the negative bullshite from the past State would have been kicked out of the SEC by now for being so shitty and us dominating them. We did it to ourselves and now have to share recruits and resources with them, and this state isn't big enough for that.
No. State joined the SEC as a charter member along with Ole Miss we were competing way before OM had all the "racial" issues. Before the Vaught era State was consistently the better football team. After the Vaught era, both schools did equally as shitty. They wouldn't have kicked us out for having a bad 15 years in the late 50s and 60s. The 40s and 70s we were decent.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:03 pm to 228Tiger
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I wish the coast could secede from the state..we get such a bad rap
The MS coast fricking sucks... besides shitty beaches tell me one thing that is there that makes it any better than the rest of the state.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:10 pm to OBReb6
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Jackson probably would have been identical to Baton Rouge if there was a single state school that was there from the beginning.
I've always thought that Vicksburg or Natchez would have made a great SEC college town. Both have a lot of history, they are pretty attractive towns, right on the MS river, casinos, etc. Add in a major university and bar scene and it would be pretty cool imo.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:12 pm to cajunintn
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You would still be behind financially, educationally, socially, economically, AND morally.
Coming from a fan of a team whose fans scream "suck that Tigers dick, bitch". How ironic
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:15 pm to deltaland
That beach looks worse than Grenada Lake..
Posted on 11/28/12 at 5:35 pm to molsusports
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MS is a small state with two major universities
Population MS - 2.9M
Compare that with:
Population AL - 4.8M
Population LA - 4.6M
Population TX - 25.7M
Population FL - 19M
Population GA - 9.8M
Alabama has a great history and perhaps the best coach/recruiter in college football right now - the Mississippi schools have neither reputation. LSU is the proverbial big fish in a small pond (sharing great talent with no one in state). Major schools like Texas, Florida, and Georgia also have a leg up with their reputations and population bases - tho all of them have other major football programs in their state.
It is debatable but I think if MSU and Ole Miss were to be consolidated into one university with one football program they would be a powerhouse (MS would still be a small state at 2/3rds the size of Louisiana but they have a lot of talent per capita)
Solid post, but remember that population doesn't tell you everything. Look at how many NFL players come from the state of Mississippi:
Mississippi has a lot going for it in terms of producing football talent. A high black %, a mild climate, a culture where sports (and particularly football) is important.
If MS had just one SEC-caliber school, they'd be about the same level as LSU.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 5:39 pm to sorantable
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There's no reason Ole Miss and Mississippi State shouldn't be having the same success as other schools that are close by (Bama, LSU, etc.).
What are the reasons for the continued mediocrity? I don't get it.
Fanbase size and money. We don't have large enough fanbases to fill the giant stadiums that powers fill and recruit to and we don't have enough money to hire and keep great coaches to build the program against all of the competition from the toughest division in NCAA football.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:08 pm to deltaland
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The MS coast fricking sucks... besides shitty beaches tell me one thing that is there that makes it any better than the rest of the state.
Um the coast is waaaay better than the delta area or Jackson area.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:18 pm to OBReb6
Ole Miss can be and has been successful at fielding great football teams.
You can be "good" without winning national championships or making BCS bowl games every year.
As for State, this is just a hypothesis, but I think Starkville is the major deterrent. It's kind of a dump, and that's coming from a State fan. :(
Oxford is a beautiful town with quite a bit of non-negative history behind it. I'm sure the party school reputation helps Ole Miss as well :P
You can be "good" without winning national championships or making BCS bowl games every year.
As for State, this is just a hypothesis, but I think Starkville is the major deterrent. It's kind of a dump, and that's coming from a State fan. :(
Oxford is a beautiful town with quite a bit of non-negative history behind it. I'm sure the party school reputation helps Ole Miss as well :P
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:22 pm to HottyToddy7
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The Common Core is doing this to make all high schools in the country on the same standards. It's an Obama idea.
If all high schools are on the same academic standards, all high school teachers should receive the same level of pay regardless of state.
In MS, there's talk of removing automatic teacher raises when we already pay teachers one of the lowest salaries in the country. I'm sure it's posturing that makes it looks like the folks in Jackson are concerned about "education reform," but as someone who has interest in eventually teaching a high school, it just makes me want to hop over to the state of Alabama. Mississippi already has a teacher shortage, so they're kinda talking out of both sides of their mouth here.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:29 pm to deltaland
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The MS coast fricking sucks... besides shitty beaches tell me one thing that is there that makes it any better than the rest of the state.
The coast has JOBs, some of the best schools in the state, low crime, great food and great fishing.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:30 pm to Rasheed Wallace
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The state of Mississippi is too poor for organized football.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:32 pm to Cdawg
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Will Arnold (woodville or centerville aka LSU country)
Travis Dickson (Bay St Louis aka LSU country)
Travis is from Ocean Springs and his brother Richard also was a Tiger.
Sean Merril (D'Iberville) played two years at LSU, then JUCO and USM.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 6:37 pm to NIH
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Alabama has pulled a couple but it's a tired and stupid fallacy on here that MS' best players go elsewhere. Since Nutt and Mullen came around 08/09 the top players have stayed in Mississippi.
I think it was true before that, way before that, as part of OM's downturn in the 70's.
I remember in the 80's and 90's the Clarion Ledger and Jackson news stations would celebrate any Mississippi player that would sign with an out of state school.
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