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re: Many schools have been gypped out of national titles, but 1983 Auburn was one of the worst
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:21 pm to GusAU
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:21 pm to GusAU
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And where was that game played?
Bowl game in Dallas. Wrong time to lose.
When they played head to head in Auburn though, Texas controlled the game. It was 20-0 by half and we put it on cruise. Bo scored a late garbage time TD to avoid the shutout.
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:37 pm to JetDawg
Dickinson System never had the power that the AP and UPI did. Dickinson was just as irrelevant as Houlgate and other mathematical systems.
Also, only the SEC never had any restrictions on more than one program going to a major bowl or any bowl. B1G, Big 8, PCC, ACC, SWC did or the same team couldn’t go back-to-back years. Besides, the bowl result was irrelevant since bowls were exhibitions.
Also, only the SEC never had any restrictions on more than one program going to a major bowl or any bowl. B1G, Big 8, PCC, ACC, SWC did or the same team couldn’t go back-to-back years. Besides, the bowl result was irrelevant since bowls were exhibitions.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:55 pm to TouchdownTony
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Underserved? those were the rules of the time and Bama won it.
Yes. Absolutely. You won a title and then got exposed in your bowl game. Yes, those were the rules so you have every right to claim the title… but those titles are still very much underserved. Arkansas and Notre Dame should have been the outright champs those years.
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How quickly Aubie forgets in these 'shared titles" that in 1957 Aubie shared the title with Ohio St
There’s no problem with shared titles. LSU/USC in 2003. Both were deserving and the split is completely fine. As was 1957 since both were undefeated. No one is saying shared titles is the problem.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:58 pm to BowlJackson
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The 1983 Bama media guide, claiming only 6 National Championships. Yet somehow pre-Saban they claimed 12, despite only winning 1 in between 83 and Saban's first in 09 Hmmmm.... very curious....
Absolutely laughable. I think had the desperate powers at the time had known what was to come, they wouldn’t have done it. But Bama in the ‘80s was scared and desperate so they claimed those titles to cope with their mediocrity.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:01 pm to Govt Tide
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Alabama's blowout Sugar Bowl win and despite Alabama's blow out win against the same Ole Miss team that beat Notre Dame earlier that year. The 1977 snub to me was even worse than the 1966 snub given the fact that Notre Dame lost to a 5-6 team that Alabama had beaten 34-13 earlier that same season.
You should know by now the formula to winning a natty can invariably include losing to Ole Miss in September, look at Florida, ND, looks like by 2015 y’all had figured that out though
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:04 pm to I-59 Tiger
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While I count Ole Miss' 1960 FWAA title as legit, if you don't I think you could make a case for either 1960 Ole Miss, 1966 Alabama and 1983 Auburn has the worst AP/UPI oversight.
I can agree with this. Two of those three were paying for racial sins. Auburn flat out got screwed for no reason.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:04 pm to JetDawg
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The AP was just one of nearly 20 different NCAA-authorized polls conducted back then. The AP was in its infancy and it wasn't even the most respected poll of that time. The Dickinson was. The AP didn't gain the respect it has today until the 1950s and 1960s and the reason for that is because many of the polls back then stopped doing them.
"Consensus" means the majority of all polls conducted went for UGA, not Ohio State. Eight polls voted for Georgia....5 went for Ohio State....1 went for Wisconsin. Therefore, the consensus (majority) of polls taken went to Georgia, not Ohio State and Wisconsin. Ohio State didn't even play in a bowl game. Georgia went to the Rose Bowl and beat UCLA, 9-0.
Good lord so much wrong here. There were TWO polls at the time, the AP (Ohio St) and the Helms Athletic Foundation (Wisconsin). Buckeyes couldn't play in a bowl game because the B10 didn't allow members to at the time.
"The Dickinson" was Frank Dickinson and his personal math ranking, not a poll.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:04 pm to Oklahomey
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Dickinson System never had the power that the AP and UPI did. Dickinson was just as irrelevant as Houlgate and other mathematical systems.
Also, only the SEC never had any restrictions on more than one program going to a major bowl or any bowl. B1G, Big 8, PCC, ACC, SWC did or the same team couldn’t go back-to-back years. Besides, the bowl result was irrelevant since bowls were exhibitions.
He really thinks that Frank Dickinson was a poll and not a person.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:12 pm to JetDawg
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The AP was just one of nearly 20 different NCAA-authorized polls conducted back then.
The AP has been THE STANDARD since 1936. Anyone who claims otherwise doesn’t know their history.
It’s also why Auburn has never claimed 1913, 1983, or 2004. Because David Housel is a student of the sport, and he knew Auburn could not claim a title not awarded by the AP or UPI. A true Auburn man.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:15 pm to AUTiger789
Hard false. The AP was 6 years old and far from the end all be all NC recognition. The AP was a “poll” in the sense that it was comprised of 15 sportswriters overwhelmingly in the MW and NE and that was closely contested. UGA won 8 of 13 recognized NC entities, won the Rose Bowl a much better arbiter of NC in the day, and had the Heisman trophy winner. OSU beat 1 ranked team, didn’t play in a bowl, also had a loss, and won 9 games rather than 11.
I think UGA should claim 1946 when they were the only undefeated untied team in the country.
I think UGA should claim 1946 when they were the only undefeated untied team in the country.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:15 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Good lord so much wrong here.
Yes. He wins the Championship for most uninformed poster.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:21 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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Tennessee was screwed outright for the 1939 title. The 1939 Vols were also the last team in NCAA history to go undefeated, untied, and unscored upon in the regular season. But finish the regular season at #2. 1938 and 1940 UT was national champions. Don’t make sense how your the champs in 1938 and possibly the greatest defensive team ever doesn’t lose or give up a point does it win it again
1998 is the only one that I consider legitimate for the Vols.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:05 pm to AUTiger789
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Okay. Now do 1983 which was the point of this entire thread. Bama claimed titles it was never awarded. Auburn didn’t. That’s where we stand.
I personally think Auburn got screwed ouy of a national title in 1983 so I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape.
I only brought up Alabama's 1977 season because it was a very similar scenario to Auburn's 1983 season.
As for Alabama's so called illegitimate claims in 1964 and 1978. They were awarded the AP national championship trophy both years and no one outside of Arkansas fans (1964), USC fans (1978), and Auburn fans even questions either in the slightest.
Alabama does make one ridiculous title claim (1941) but doesn't claim either 1945, 1966, or 1977 which blows away the myth that they claim each and every single title that they could claim
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:33 pm to AUTiger789
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Sure ‘66 and ‘77 Bama teams might have been deserving, but Bama has won 3 titles it really had no business winning. And that doesn’t include the 5 retroactive titles claimed 50 years after the fact
Other than 1941, four of those so called retroactively awarded titles were before the AP poll existed and awarded a national title trophy. 1925, 1926, 1930 , and 1934 were all undefeated teams that were named national champions in one of more of the ranking services at the time. It wasn't as if those claims weren't at least backed up by actual #1 rankings in one of more of the ranking systems that existed at the time.
If we're going to pretend that any pre-AP poll title claim is questionable unless every single polling service names the same team #1 then every title by every team prior to 1936 is illegitimate by that standard.
If that's the case then I guess AP titles are the only ones that count and there's a clear Big 3 when it comes to those...
1) Alabama - 12
2) Notre Dame- 8
3) Oklahoma- 7
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:46 pm to BigTastey
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You are reaching! Your shared titles are plural. Auburn's is singular.
In 1957 the Tigers compiled a perfect 10–0 record (7–0 in the SEC), shut out six of ten opponents, won the SEC championship, and outscored all opponents by a total of 207 to 28.
Woody Hayes and the northern media..
It was deserved.
Agreed yet one of your colleagues tried to make the argument that Alabama's 1925 title claim...a year in which they went 9-0 during the regular season outscoring their opponents 277-7 before going on to beat an undefeated Washington team in the Rose Bowl is a "made up" claim. He actually tried to argue that Dartmouth was the clear champion that year.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 10:23 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Better throw out 2007 while you're at it.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 11:52 pm to Marktastic86
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This coming from the fanbase of geniuses that throw toilet paper to celebrate literally anything.
As opposed to the fanbase of geniuses that poison rival school trees, murder a booster who was getting too vocal with his shenanigans, put their genitalia on the face of a passed out opponent’s fan, leap into a group of rival fans during a game to fight, etc….?
Your complete lack of self awareness is remarkable.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:07 am to JetDawg
Didn’t y’all have an undefeated season and left out of title game too?
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:00 am to Govt Tide
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As for 1978, yes USC did defeat Alabama in a close game early in the season but they also lost a month LATER to an unranked Arizona State team that had been blown out in its losses that season. Right or wrong, bad losses later in the season have traditionally carried more weight than even competitive head to head wins when judging two teams at the end of the season which is why Alabama got the nod that year.
I always chuckle at this one. The team that won head to head claims that head to head is more important. The team that lost the head to head claims that losing last carries more importance.
We see the same thing with Auburn in '83 but with a bit of a different spin. Auburn lost early in the season to Texas but Miami lost in game one against Florida.
One wonders if Auburn had clobbered Michigan instead of eaking by if they wouldn't have gotten it over Miami.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 12:28 pm to Gunga Din
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One wonders if Auburn had clobbered Michigan instead of eaking by if they wouldn't have gotten it over Miami.
I actually think that we would have won the title if we had just scored one TD in that game.
That said, I did get to enjoy celebrating (what we thought was) a National Championship on Bourbon Street right after the game. It was an incredible experience.
I will NOT describe my experience when I heard on the radio the next day driving back to Auburn from New Orleans that Miami had jumped over us.
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