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re: Many schools have been gypped out of national titles, but 1983 Auburn was one of the worst
Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You don't seem to understand how opinion polls work
It's you that doesn't understand. You see, I used to vote in these opinion polls....son.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 3:13 pm
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Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Because the recognition of titles that weren't from one of the 3 major selectors became basically ironclad around the 1970s.
Says who? There was a national standard for picking champs beginning in 1936? What fantasy event “around the 1970s” changed anything. An Auburn claim of 1983 would be stupid but no more stupid than those other 4…. And #20 Bama’s claim is the most stupid of them all.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:59 pm to Govt Tide
We all have seasons from the pre-BCS era where we feel hosed. That fact makes us deciding to pick 1941 as the random non-AP/Coaches title in our bag to claim utterly baffling.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:00 pm to BuckI
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Ohio State in 2007.
Ohio State was club-rocked by a 2-loss LSU team, the only 2-loss national champion ever.
Suckeyes continue to suck.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:01 pm to AUTiger789
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An Auburn claim of 1983 would be stupid but no more stupid than those other 4…. And #20 Bama’s claim is the most stupid of them all.
I don't disagree. Was moreso talking about 1993 and 2004 than 1983.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:02 pm to AUTiger789
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Those are the only ones I can think of that are completely bogus. Auburn doesn’t want to join this group.
Georgia's 1942 title isn't bogus...UGA was the CONSENSUS national champion -- most of the pollsters voted UGA #1, not Ohio State.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:02 pm to Govt Tide
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As bad as Auburn's snub in 1983 was, 1977 Alabama's was arguably even worse.
Yes, but Bama was gifted the title the very next season in 1978 which it did not deserve. Same scenario as 1964. Neither of those titles were earned by Bama despite them winning the trophy.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:04 pm to JetDawg
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Georgia's 1942 title isn't bogus...UGA was the CONSENSUS national champion -- most of the pollsters voted UGA #1, not Ohio State.
Umm. No.
Ohio State won the AP Title. How can you claim Georgia as “consensus champs” when they were #2 in the only poll that counts?
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We all have seasons from the pre-BCS era where we feel hosed.
This
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:07 pm to JetDawg
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Georgia's 1942 title isn't bogus...UGA was the CONSENSUS national champion -- most of the pollsters voted UGA #1, not Ohio State.
I'm pretty sure we've been through this before but only 2 polls existed at the time and neither one voted for UGA.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We all have seasons from the pre-BCS era where we feel hosed. That fact makes us deciding to pick 1941 as the random non-AP/Coaches title in our bag to claim utterly baffling.
I can't for the life of me understand our 1941 claim either. We claim 1941...a year we barely finished in the Top 20 in some polls instead of 1945...a year we went undefeated outscoring our regular season opponents 396-66 before beating USC 34-14 in the Rose Bowl. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:10 pm to Govt Tide
Even more perplexing since it was Minnesota who originally finished #1 in Deke Houlgate's math rating but he retroactively included bowl results years later.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:10 pm to Govt Tide
You could pick 10 other seasons that make more sense than that if you just wanted to randomly pick another one as a national title (and could have in 1980s when we did it) (would have still been embarrassing).
Completely ridiculous.
Completely ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:15 pm to Govt Tide
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I can't for the life of me understand our 1941 claim either. We claim 1941
The story goes that Bama’s AD or SID in the 1980s wanted to claim more titles than Notre Dame had so they needed to get to 11 to do that. They actually only had six so they had to go retroactively claim 5 more.
1977 was too fresh so they picked 1941 along with 4 pre-AP era years because they knew their fans were too stupid to question anything.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:20 pm to AUTiger789
Problem is a bunch of other schools started retroactively claiming "titles" too (including Notre Dame). Michigan claims 11 but only 2 are AP or Coaches.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:20 pm to AUTiger789
I remember Sports Ilistrated coming out with an article after the bowls making a good case for Auburn. Wonder if it can be found online.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:29 pm to AUTiger789
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Yes, but Bama was gifted the title the very next season in 1978 which it did not deserve. Same scenario as 1964. Neither of those titles were earned by Bama despite them winning the trophy.
Meh. The AP awarded their national champion after the end of the regular season in 1964. You may not like it but those were the rules at the time. As for 1978, yes USC did defeat Alabama in a close game early in the season but they also lost a month LATER to an unranked Arizona State team that had been blown out in its losses that season. Right or wrong, bad losses later in the season have traditionally carried more weight than even competitive head to head wins when judging two teams at the end of the season which is why Alabama got the nod that year.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:38 pm to AUTiger789
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1977 was too fresh so they picked 1941 along with 4 pre-AP era years because they knew their fans were too stupid to question anything.
If you look at those early claims objectively and look at how the 1925, 1926, and 1930 Alabama teams and how they absolutely dominated their opponents I don't see how you can say those are ridiculous claims while simultaneously making the claim that 1925 Dartmouth, 1926 Stanford, and 1930 Notre Dame were clearly better. That's not to say those other teams didn't have legitimate claims too but to argue one claim is clearly better than the other is disingenuous.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:38 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Michigan claims 11 but only 2 are AP or Coaches.
Yes. Michigan might even surpass Ole Miss as the most shameless at claiming things that are completely fictitious.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:43 pm to AUTiger789
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1977 was too fresh so they picked 1941 along with 4 pre-AP era years because they knew their fans were too stupid to question anything.
This coming from the fanbase of geniuses that throw toilet paper to celebrate literally anything.
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