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re: Many schools have been gypped out of national titles, but 1983 Auburn was one of the worst
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:52 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:52 am to DawgsLife
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Other polls were more highly thought of back then,
There were only 2 polls back then, and no one would say the Helms Athletic Foundation (who voted Wisconsin #1 anyhow) was above the AP.
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:56 am to JetDawg
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AUBURN was gypped out of a title here
Well, that's right.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:13 am to Killean
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Probably should mention that #2 Texas beat Auburn and their only loss was 10-9 to Georgia in the bowl game.
Those were the two best teams.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 8:16 am
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:13 am to JetDawg
While I count Ole Miss' 1960 FWAA title as legit, if you don't I think you could make a case for either 1960 Ole Miss, 1966 Alabama and 1983 Auburn has the worst AP/UPI oversight.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:15 am to i am dan
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Yeah, Auburn only beat 4 top10 teams during the year. I swear some of you people don't have a clue about anything, and why feel the need to share your dumb thoughts? Better if you didn't.
Texas beat three (all on the road), including a double digit win in Auburn. Our only loss was by 1 point to #7. You could make an argument for either.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:17 am to BevoBucks
Things were so stupid back then with all the bowl tie-ins. Yet people think it was better than nowadays.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:18 am to BevoBucks
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Texas beat three (all on the road), including a double digit win in Auburn. Our only loss was by 1 point to #7. You could make an argument for either.
Texas indeed had a great team. But they picked the worst game of the year to lose. Unlike the 1971 Cotton Bowl loss this one cost them the title (well,they were UPI champs in 1970.)
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 8:20 am
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:27 am to JetDawg
I don’t understand why the school doesn’t claim the title. Bc some a-hole sitting in a desk in NY says Miami won the title we have to give them the title
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:32 am to AUTiger789
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USC won the AP title because the AP changed its ways after the 1964 debacle and awarded its trophy AFTER the bowl games. Bama won the 1978 UPI title because it was awarded BEFORE its bowl game loss. An absolute scandal that caused them too to change its timing of awarding trophies until after bowl games.
Alabama won the AP national title in 1978, bruh. USC won the UPI despite Alabama having more first place votes.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
I’m just happy the BCS was invented and now the playoffs.
With all due respect George
Any before could be considered a popularity vote.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:30 am to Hot_in_the_box
Tennessee didn’t play the four best teams in the SEC that year in Tulane, Miss St, Ole Miss, and Georgia Tech and went on to get wrecked by USC in their bowl. Not legit.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:42 pm to Rohan Gravy
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I’m just happy the BCS was invented and now the playoffs.
USC claims the 2003 season as a championship season. Despite the BCS existence. If it were not for the BCS system, USC would have been the coaches poll #1 as well.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:51 pm to Oklahomey
Go check out the 1939 team that didn’t allow a point and did not tie or lose a regular season game. Tennessee was defending champions and didn’t allow a point in the regular season and won every game and some how was not awarded the 1939 one but was the 1938 and 1940. That 1939 UT team set a record that will never be broken.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:53 pm to JetDawg
Auburn tried to Al Del Greco their way to the ‘83 title beating a 3 loss Michigan team 9-7.
Nobody bought it then and nobody’s buying it now.
Pleased the Dawgs could throw a monkey wrench into the proceeding with a win over Mossy Cade’s #2 Horns
Nobody bought it then and nobody’s buying it now.
Pleased the Dawgs could throw a monkey wrench into the proceeding with a win over Mossy Cade’s #2 Horns
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:58 pm to Dr RC
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Not legit.
Wrong.
1938- Vols National Champs
1939- Went Undefeated regular season, did not tie anyone, and did not give up a point. 10 consecutive shutouts. Finished #2
1940- Vols National Champs
How can a team be sandwich between 2 national champ teams and not allow a point and finish #2. The poll people screwed UT.
Tulane- finished 8-1-1
Georgia Tech- 8-2
Miss State - 8-2
Ole Miss - 7-2
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:07 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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There were only 2 polls back then, and no one would say the Helms Athletic Foundation (who voted Wisconsin #1 anyhow) was above the AP.
I do tend to mispeak sometimes. There were others that named National Champions that did not strictly meet the criteria for a poll in 1942. The AP was still not the powerhouse it is today, or anywhere close. They also named a champion before the bowl season.
ETA
We did claim 1942 retroactively, also, which I know some people don't like, but it's not like we were not good or lost a bunch of games or didn't play in a bowl game or something.
I do know that some of the services picked Georgia and then Georgia was picked by some services retroactively...which I have no problem with because sometimes you can see things a bit more clearly and less biased looking back. No offense to LSU fans but they claimed they had the best football team of all time in 2019 and was calling this baseeball team the GOAT along with their WBB team. In other words, a little distances tends to take some of the bias and hyperbole out of it.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:08 pm to AUFANATL
I attended the 1982 Nebraska beat down of AU in Auburn. As a 71 year old man, I could have run through the holes that the Nebraska OL created to get 10 yards per carry. That was the era of 5th-year senior lineman at Nebraska with Dean Steinkuler anchoring the line. Turner Gill was the QB for Nebraska and Irving Friar was the All-American WR. That Nebraska team was the finest team I ever saw take the field at Auburn.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:10 pm to BevoBucks
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Texas beat three (all on the road)
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Our only loss was by 1 point to #7
And where was that game played?
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:15 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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1939- Went Undefeated regular season, did not tie anyone, and did not give up a point. 10 consecutive shutouts. Finished #2
How can a team be sandwich between 2 national champ teams and not allow a point and finish #2.
Because Tennessee did not play
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Tulane- finished 8-1-1
Georgia Tech- 8-2
Miss State - 8-2
Ole Miss - 7-2
and had this as a schedule
@ NC State - 2-8
Sewanee - 3-5
@ Chattanooga - 5-2-1
Alabama - 5-3-1
Mercer - 3-7
@ LSU - 4-5
The Citadel - 3-8
Vanderbilt - 2-7-2
@ Kentucky 6-2-1
Auburn - 5-5-1
38-52-6
Meanwhile A&M had
@ Oklahoma A&M (State) - 5-4-1
Centenary - 2-9-1
@ Santa Clara - 5-1-3
vs Villanova - 6-2 (in Tyler, Tx at Rose Festival Classic)
@ TCU - 3-7
Baylor - 7-3
@ Arkansas - 4-5-1
SMU - 6-3-1
@ Rice - 1-9-1
Texas - 5-4
44-47-8
Finally, Tennessee lost 14-0 to USC in the Rose Bowl while A&M beat Tulane 14-13 in the Sugar Bowl further cementing A&M as the better team. Sorry. Tenner's claim is not legit.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:20 pm to AUTiger789
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Ohio State won the AP Title. How can you claim Georgia as “consensus champs” when they were #2 in the only poll that counts?
The AP was just one of nearly 20 different NCAA-authorized polls conducted back then. The AP was in its infancy and it wasn't even the most respected poll of that time. The Dickinson was. The AP didn't gain the respect it has today until the 1950s and 1960s and the reason for that is because many of the polls back then stopped doing them.
"Consensus" means the majority of all polls conducted went for UGA, not Ohio State. Eight polls voted for Georgia....5 went for Ohio State....1 went for Wisconsin. Therefore, the consensus (majority) of polls taken went to Georgia, not Ohio State and Wisconsin. Ohio State didn't even play in a bowl game. Georgia went to the Rose Bowl and beat UCLA, 9-0.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 3:22 pm
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