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re: LSU fans: You're not worried about Coach O & his ties to the Ole Miss cheating?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:19 pm to BayouBengals18
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:19 pm to BayouBengals18
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Umm well... The simple fact that when Dabo was hired, Clemson wasn't nearly the power LSU is right now. Dabo built that program. O hasn't built shite at LSU, and will feed off of what Dinardo, Saban and Miles built.
so Orgeron is set up to be successful more so than Dabo was
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:22 pm to lsufball19
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so Orgeron is set up to be successful more so than Dabo was
He's set up for success, but that's not a guarantee he will achieve it. He could turn LSU into Texas, Miami, or Michigan of a few years ago...
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:25 pm to BayouBengals18
Sure, and he could also do great things. That doesn't dispute that when Dabo was hired he had no experience running an offense, defense, or team. Yet he somehow has built quite the program at Clemson
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:28 pm to BayouBengals18
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He could turn LSU into Texas, Miami, or Michigan of a few years ago...
IMO, keeping Les on the staff, we were heading that direction. TX did exactly that with keeping Brown on staff too long. LSU has a much more fertile recruiting ground than Michigan and doesn't have the instate competition that Miami has.
Orgeron, having two great coordinators and being a stellar recruiting mind in a state like LA, will keep us from sinking too far down. Keep in mind, the SECW doesn't have any world beaters besides Saban/Bama. Get the program to where it can compete with them, and the rest will fall into line.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
If LSU improves next year while dominating our competition looking completely different doing it, would you still say LSU shouldn't have hired him? I'm willing to bet LSU will be exponentially better next year in all phases of the game of football. You can say what you want about his record at OM because it wasn't very good but neither was OM and he had some extreme competition while admitting making huge mistakes. Also LSU did attempt to find proven HCs but just didn't have the time or didn't want to dish out the money at the time. If Les freakn Miles incompetent arse was so successful I have no doubt O will surpass that dimwit.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:28 pm to BayouBengals18
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Umm well... The simple fact that when Dabo was hired, Clemson wasn't nearly the power LSU is right now. Dabo built that program. O hasn't built shite at LSU, and will feed off of what Dinardo, Saban and Miles built. Dabo was also in his 30's, not his mid 50's having been a DL coach his entire career.
And so that position coach, with less years experience than O, at a lesser program, quickly had Clemson at the top. LSU hired the more experienced version of that, a guy who was even better at what he did as a recruiting specialist, a guy who has been a successful interim at two major schools while under the microscope. And yet you claim that hire is the "the most unqualified hire in big 6 history" as you put it. (Nevermind, again he was more qualified at hire than an ACC coach that just won a national title.)
Maybe you just don't understand the word "qualified?" You are just as irrational as anyone who wanted coach O because he was from Louisiana.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:32 pm to BayouBengals18
Maybe the way he took that team at the end of the year with half of Les Miles staff and dominated everyone except AL and FL? Not so absurd if you just pay attention to what's actually happening. What makes you think that O will not be better than a freakn coach that almost lost to Miss state? Now that's absurd!
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:35 pm to Tigercat
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"the most unqualified hire in big 6 history" as you put it.
First off, I never said that. And how can you use his interim gigs as a reason to justify the hire, while ignoring he owns the worst tenure in OM history? Even being gifted the two teams he inherited in his interim gigs, his HC record is below .500.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:38 pm to BayouBengals18
He could also turn it into Clemson possibly better than Clemson because Dabo had a learning curve where I believe O has had that learning curve already while at OM. He knows what LSU needs, this is what makes me laugh at you negative O people, like the man is just incapable of success when he's proved to be a much better coach than Les already with Les Miles own staff. He's brought in better and we'll digress somehow? Ok sure buddy
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:40 pm to BayouBengals18
You and Rick just enjoy the argument and downvotes/upvotes. Yalls points are both absurd. Get the frick out of here.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:41 pm to BayouBengal99
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Not so absurd if you just pay attention to what's actually happening.
I'm paying attention, and O has shown nothing to hint at him being a better HC than Miles. And if you want to bring up a coach that "almost lost to freakin Miss State" go look at O's record against the Bulldogs.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:43 pm to BayouBengal99
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Yalls points are both absurd
My points are all based in reality. You just don't want to admit it.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:46 pm to BayouBengals18
So are mine... You look at it one way and I look at it another, no big deal, we'll find out when the spits flying though won't we? I think I'll be right and you hope you aren't. GT
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:56 pm to BayouBengal99
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You look at it one way and I look at it another, no big deal, we'll find out when the spits flying though won't we? I think I'll be right and you hope you aren't. GT
I'm a lifelong LSU fan, and will gladly admit I was wrong if O takes down Saban and Bama, and gets LSU back to the top of the SEC on a consistent basis. I just don't see him doing it with what he's done so far. Les' process had gotten stale and LSU fans were so ready for something new, they'll jump at and pump up anything little thing O does.
His idea of bringing in the top coordinators in the country is a disaster waiting to happen. 99% of these guys are looking to be HC's, and constantly move on/up every couple years. Having to change your O/D every couple years isn't conducive to sustainable success. I do believe O has learned a lot of his 30ish years in the profession, but some just aren't cut out to be a HC.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:59 pm to BayouBengals18
Also, none of what he's done so far at LSU changes the fact that while he was at OM, Tennessee and USC, LSU fans thought he was the biggest cheater in the nation. Now that he's here, he's one of us and is a god.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:00 pm to Tigercat
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hat is the difference between Clemson hiring Swinney and Coach O being hire
When Clemson hired Dabo they hadnt won a conf title since 1991. They had zero top 20 finishes from 2000- until dabi was hired. Dabo actually ran the offense during his interim tenure. Dabo wasnt 55 years old.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:02 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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When Clemson hired Dabo they hadnt won a conf title since 1991. They had zero top 20 finishes from 2000- until dabi was hired. Dabo actually ran the offense during his interim tenure. Dabo wasnt 55 years old.
They'll twist this into a good thing for O.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:02 pm to BayouBengal99
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You and Rick just enjoy the argument and downvotes/upvotes. Yalls points are both absurd. Get the frick out of here.
No i enjoy using facts and living in reality. Ed orgeron is a 55 year old career dline coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program. Those are facts. Deal with it.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:02 pm to lsufball19
nevermind it
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:05 pm to BayouBengals18
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y'll twist this into a good thing for O.
The two situations arent remotely close and they act like they are. If lsu hadnt won the sec in 20 years and had no top 20 finishes in almost a decade then i wouldnt have such a problem hiring an unqualified coach and giving him a shot. Since 2000 lsu has been one of the top 6-7 programs in cfb.
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