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re: LSU Fans are coming around to how terrible O is
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:32 am to Triple Daves
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:32 am to Triple Daves
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Find me the outlier
So you think because he sucked at Mississippi, he must therefore, necessarily suck at LSU?
Maybe. By no means am I calling him a genius or a home run hire.
But he's already got a 71% win rate at LSU, so I'm not sure what you can deduct from his time at Mississippi 10 years ago.
All I'm saying is that he may do better at a better program with more experience and better talent.
Luckily, no other SEC team outside of Bama is looking very strong either, so the bar is set pretty low.
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:35 am to WildTchoupitoulas
As football fans, most of us can understand you attempting to justify the hire. Hell, my fanbase, Arkansas, justified the one year interim tag being put on John L Smith after Petrino was fired so late in the spring with no real time to hire an actual replacement.
On that same note, some of your fans do not like the other side of the coin when a fan like Fiddle Sticks is justifying it on the other side.
On that same note, some of your fans do not like the other side of the coin when a fan like Fiddle Sticks is justifying it on the other side.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:36 am to FiddleHead
I always wanted to play the fiddle.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:37 am to FiddleHead
Arkansas fans talking shite with all those 2 star athletes damn shame
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:38 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you think because he sucked at Mississippi, he must therefore, necessarily suck at LSU?
No, I think that your question was "who has won anything at Ole Miss since Vaught", and that the stats clearly show that Oregon is the worst coach at Ole Miss in the last 20 years. So, you can say he has learned since then (and that could very well be true), but it isn't true to just suggest he performed badly at Ole Miss because everyone does and his record is on par with all Ole Miss coaches. That just isn't true.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:38 am to LSUmaniac94
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Arkansas fans talking shite with all those 2 star athletes damn shame
And you're talking shite having only beaten Arkansas one time in the last three years and your team has not had a season of less than 3 losses since 2011. Not to mention LSU is 7-4 this season and isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
Get used to it.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:39 am to FiddleHead
I was as anti-O as they come and I'm feeling slightly optimistic. Idgaf about losing a recruit who hasn't stepped foot on the field.
We could lose another half dozen recruits and it would be worth it for an effective offensive scheme
We could lose another half dozen recruits and it would be worth it for an effective offensive scheme
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:42 am to Triple Daves
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1995 - 1998
Tommy Tuberville : 4 seasons, 25-20 (12-20), 2 Bowl Games, 14-9 (7-9 SEC) his last 2 seasons
1998 - 2004
David Cutcliffe : 7 seasons, 44-29 (25-23), 5 Bowl Games
2005 - 2007
Ed Oregeron : 3 seasons, 10-25 (3-21), 0 Bowl Games
2008 - 2011
Houston Nutt : 4 seasons, 24-26 (10-22), 2 Bowl Games
2012 - 2016
Hugh Freeze : 5 seasons, 39-25 (19-21), 4 Bowl Games
Now let's look at those coaches, when not at OM:
Tommy Tuberville: 134-79
at Ole Miss = .555 win percent
everywhere else = .630 win percent
David Cutcliffe: 52-61 (at Duke)
at Ole Miss = .602 win percent
everywhere else: = .450 win percent
Houston Nutt: 111-70
at Ole Miss = .480 win percent
everywhere else = .613 win percent
Hugh Freeze: 30-7
at Ole Miss = .650 win percent
everywhere else = .810 win percent
Hmmmmmm.... interesting huh? Sure seems like Ole Miss makes everyone look bad.
Nice job on yet another shitty argument, a staple of your posting.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 10:43 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:44 am to WilliamTaylor21
So, by your numbers presented...LSU should expect Orgeron to win roughly 40% of his games, going off the % of improvement when coaches were not coaching at Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:45 am to WilliamTaylor21
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Hmmmmmm.... interesting huh? Sure seems like Ole Miss makes everyone look bad.
If that was the argument, you'd be correct. I don't think anyone expects O to go 3-9 and 1-7 in the SEC at LSU. Am I missing that somewhere? The point was O's performance at Ole Miss was worse than every other coach at Ole Miss.
So, if O raises his win % by 20 pts at LSU (more than any other Ole Miss coach did elsewhere) then that would get him to 50% at LSU, so 6-6 (3-5) average.
That's the point. O will have to eclipse all other ex-Ole Miss coaches in his improvement from Ole Miss to his new job at an INSANELY HIGH rate to be successful at LSU. It's possible, but it certainly shouldn't be expected.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:45 am to FiddleHead
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The worst part about this is the absolute best LSU can hope for is maintaining their current status. That's O's ceiling and thats being generous
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:46 am to Hawgeye
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LSU should expect Orgeron to win roughly 40% of his games, going off the % of improvement when coaches were not coaching at Ole Miss.
WilliamTaylor21, dominating the board as usual.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:47 am to Hawgeye
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Orgeron also had the better set up, as he followed Cutcliffe
Except that the rip on Cutcliff was that he wouldn't recruit. O comes in when the cupboard was bare, and Mississippi goes from #41 in recruiting in 2003, #71 in 2004 (I believe they only brought in 10 recruits that year), to #30 in 2005, #17 in 2006, and #28 in 2007, giving Nutt a much better position from which to flame out - in spite of his maintaining the recruiting that O had started.
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EdO's tenure at Ole Miss was the definition of running a program into the shitter. IMO.
I would say it was Nutt who exemplified running a program into the shitter, as he came into Mississippi with much better players than O did, and proceeded to end up with 4-8 and 2-10 seasons.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:48 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I would say it was Nutt who exemplified running a program into the shitter
Agree
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:49 am to Triple Daves
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WilliamTaylor21, dominating the board as usual.
It's easy to dominate ignorant people
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:50 am to WilliamTaylor21
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It's easy to dominate ignorant people
So O will improve his win % at Ole Miss by what, double what Tubs/Nutt did? Triple?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:53 am to Hawgeye
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most of us can understand you attempting to justify the hire
I'm not justifying the hire, I think we should've gone with someone else - not Jimbo or Herman, either. I would've liked to have seen a national search by a professional organization. Christ, we had enough time to. I think the LSU AD fricked up.
All I'm saying is that I'm not willing to pull my hair out over Orgeron, and am willing to give him a couple of years to see if he's made any improvement. And one of the reasons I'm willing to be patient is that he's a home boy. The other reason is because I don't really have any choice, as the hire has been made, and I'm not the type of fan that just automatically freaks out when something doesn't go my way.
Call me an unusual LSU fan, if you will.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:59 am to Triple Daves
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So O will improve his win % at Ole Miss by what, double what Tubs/Nutt did? Triple?
He was 10-25 at Ole Miss which was a .285 win percent, since leaving Ole Miss he is 11-4 which is a .733 win percent.
So he's basically tripled his win percent since leaving Ole Miss.
DWI
Posted on 12/1/16 at 11:00 am to WilliamTaylor21
That was complete sarcasm you missed bro 
Posted on 12/1/16 at 11:01 am to Triple Daves
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So, you can say he has learned since then
Which I never said. I said I was willing to give him some time to see if he has. What I won't do is predict his future success based on past performance.
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Oregon is the worst coach at Ole Miss in the last 20 years
The case could be made that Nutt was worse when you look at the recruiting trends at Mississippi from 2003 - 2010, and how the program dropped to 4-8 and 2-10 once Nutt was playing with his own recruits.
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it isn't true to just suggest he performed badly at Ole Miss because everyone does and his record is on par with all Ole Miss coaches.
He performed better at USC and at LSU than he did at Mississippi. Orgeron went 10-25 at Mississippi, and yet has gone 11-4 in his other games as HC. All I'm saying is that I'm not going to judge him solely on his performance at a crappy school.
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