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re: Looking back on PP, AJ Green and Julio Jones..
Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:09 am to labamafan
Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:09 am to labamafan
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I have said this as well. We will be sick watching what could have been once we see his full potential.
Five words: Greg McElroy and Jim McElwain. I was the only person on this board criticizing both men since last year. But of course, everybody thought the offense was acceptable because they were winning games. Last year, the offense was overly reliant on great field position which they got from a tremendous and outstanding return man in Javier Arenas. They had trouble sustaining offensive drives all season long even in the games when they put up a lot of points. When both units fell off this year, we all saw how the offense got exposed for the mediocre unit they were. It's just a shame much how skill and talent was wasted on Alabama's offense because of those two dimwits.
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Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:19 am to acgeaux129
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Statistically, Peterson is about the same as the players you listed (other than offensive production). Look it up.
I know you probably weren't referring to me, but Buckley had twenty one career interceptions to PP's seven. Buckley has the NCAA record for return yardage. Woodson had eight interceptions his Heisman year. I know INTs aren't everything, but that's more than PP's career INT numbers...
Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:19 am to acgeaux129
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Statistically, Peterson is about the same as the players you listed (other than offensive production)
Actually, regular defensive statistics (INTs, Tackles, etc..) are completely irrelevant as a measure of judging a CB's effectiveness. Deion Sanders often said that his best games were always when his name wasn't even mentioned in the box score because it meant opposing teams weren't even throwing near his direction. It's hard to pile up INT and tackle numbers when a CB is blanketing their man all day long and isn't even tested by the opposing team.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:21 am to Bench McElroy
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They had trouble sustaining offensive drives all season long even in the games when they put up a lot of points.
disagree with this only in that we sustained drives last yr very well all the way up to the ten but we just couldnt score td. We moved the ball all day against LSU, Om and SC we jus couldnt score many TD. I will say if GM had been a good qb last yr he would have beaten LSu handily and the game never would have been in doubt last yr.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:27 am to labamafan
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We moved the ball all day against LSU, Om and SC we jus couldnt score many TD. I will say if GM had been a good qb last yr he would have beaten LSu handily and the game never would have been in doubt last yr.
You're 100% correct about the LSU game but you're off about the OM and SC games. The offense didn't do anything in those games. The defense forced something like 5 turnovers against OM and almost all of them were deep in Ole Miss' own territory. But they could punch into the end zone only once despite having incredible field position all game long. In the SC game, they only put only six offensive points until Ingram put the team on his back in that late drive in the fourth quarter. As much as people bitch about McElroy this year, he was INFINITELY worse last year. The guy was horrible. Now, he's just really mediocre.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 6:17 am to Bench McElroy
I haven't read every post in this thread and I gather you don't care for either of the MCs, but my opinion of McElroy is that he was capable enough to a point. My biggest problem with him was that rarely seemed to get better as a game went along. And if he started out bad his lack of stellar ability put winning on the shoulders of Ingram- at a way unacceptable level.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 10:29 am to Bench McElroy
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Actually, regular defensive statistics (INTs, Tackles, etc..) are completely irrelevant as a measure of judging a CB's effectiveness. Deion Sanders often said that his best games were always when his name wasn't even mentioned in the box score because it meant opposing teams weren't even throwing near his direction. It's hard to pile up INT and tackle numbers when a CB is blanketing their man all day long and isn't even tested by the opposing team.
I tried showing why they were objectively similar in terms of statistics. Peterson's measurables are just as good (if not better) as the players in your list. He seemingly shut down a side of the field every game and the run support he provided last year was ridiculous for a corner. The two best WRs that the conference had seen in awhile had minimal production against him. He was an explosive return man, averaging more than 20 yards per return on average. The only poor game he ever played was in the Capital One Bowl against Penn State in a mud pit.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 10:53 am to yamammasprofile
Three truly outstanding players who will all be outstanding pros IMO. Patrick gave us plenty of great play and excitement and my only regret for him is that he wasn't given a shot at returns a year sooner. He and Holliday as a team would have been outstanding, though Chad Jones did have his moments. Peterson's matchups with AJ and JJ were classics. The legacy of Peterson will continue next season in that he has spent a great deal of time schooling LSU's young db's, especially, Mathieu and Claiborne.
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Posted on 12/26/10 at 4:21 pm to DiafGtfo
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I know you probably weren't referring to me, but Buckley had twenty one career interceptions to PP's seven. Buckley has the NCAA record for return yardage. Woodson had eight interceptions his Heisman year. I know INTs aren't everything, but that's more than PP's career INT numbers...
Peterson's prowess is evidenced more by numbers that aren't published: 48 balls thrown to his man or his zone during the year, 23 completions, zero touchdowns allowed, 2 pass completions for over 20 yards all year. One Int. per 12 passes thrown his way ain't too shabby either.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 11:41 pm to RANDY44
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Peterson's prowess is evidenced more by numbers that aren't published: 48 balls thrown to his man or his zone during the year, 23 completions, zero touchdowns allowed, 2 pass completions for over 20 yards all year. One Int. per 12 passes thrown his way ain't too shabby either.
Not doubting you, but where you getting your stats?
Also though, while PP is a fantastic corner, twenty one interceptions is just mind numbingly ridiculous though...I just can't get my head around that.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 8:43 am to Funky Tide 8
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irrelevant
Good answer when you have no reply.
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He was dominant last year in coverage, and was really good at returning kicks the first part of this past year. Still doesnt make him one of the best ever.
His All Purpose yards was one of the best:
All Purpose g rush rcv pr kr ir total avg/g
Pa. Peterson 12 0 0 418 851 134 1403 116.9
There is no doubt if put on the other side of the ball, he could have been a great WR. Don't know how well AJ Green and Julio Jones would be playing defense.
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Peterson's prowess is evidenced more by numbers that aren't published: 48 balls thrown to his man or his zone during the year, 23 completions, zero touchdowns allowed, 2 pass completions for over 20 yards all year. One Int. per 12 passes thrown his way ain't too shabby either.
To add, the blocked kick, TFL, QBH, just this year.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 8:58 am to DiafGtfo
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Buckley
dude was bad arse
Posted on 12/27/10 at 10:57 am to LSUDad
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Good answer when you have no reply.
So just because he has freakish measurables, that means he is one of the best ever? No dude, that is irrelevant. That is why I said "irrelevant."
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There is no doubt if put on the other side of the ball, he could have been a great WR. Don't know how well AJ Green and Julio Jones would be playing defense.
Are you serious? You are seriously pumping sunshine up PP's arse with this comment. And that comment is about as irrelevant as it gets.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 11:01 am to crossfire
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You are just an average bama b*tch fan. If you don't think PP is one of the best ever your bama bias is showing.
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crossfire
HAHA quit being a little baby dude. I said "no flame". I think he is a really good player, I just think you LSU fans overrate him sometimes. He got burned more than a few times in his three years at LSU, and probably more so this year than the others. Not saying he is bad, but in order to be the best, you can't get burned that many times. And he is a great special teams player, but we are talking about his play at corner.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 11:06 am to Funky Tide 8
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Are you serious?
Look at this guy, have you ever seen him play? I've seen way more football than you will ever in your life. The guys a football player, face facts. You add nothing, have nothing and know nothing. The more you post, the more you tell about what you know.
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So just because he has freakish measurables, that means he is one of the best ever? No dude, that is irrelevant. That is why I said "irrelevant."
To do what he does at that size, does mean something. It like the 6'1" OL playing in the Pros, or the 39 year old OL still playing football. Do your homework.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 11:15 am to LSUDad
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Look at this guy, have you ever seen him play?
Plenty of times.
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I've seen way more football than you will ever in your life.
Congrats old timer.
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The guys a football player, face facts.
Yes, I am aware of this.
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You add nothing, have nothing and know nothing.
In other words, "I am a homer that doesnt agree with you, so you are wrong."
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To do what he does at that size, does mean something.
No shite, but it doesnt matter when you get burned, like PP did more than a few times this year. When people look back at his college says, they arent going to say, "oh his size is why he was one of the best ever".
Quit being so touchy man, I said it was not a flame. I think he is a wonderful player, but to say he is one of the best ever to play the position, that is a bold statement.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 11:17 am to LSUDad
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LSUDad
You are going down the wrong road. Say something about Julio Jones is over-rated if you want to see Funky get his balls in a wad.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 11:20 am to yamammasprofile
Any fans of these players' respective schools that aren't pleased with the way they've played aren't in touch with reality. All three have been great players throughout their careers. I wouldn't trade Julio for anyone in the country, just like I'm sure UGA and LSU fans wouldn't trade their guys either.
I'm going to be selfish and hope Julio goes against the odds and returns for one more year.
I'm going to be selfish and hope Julio goes against the odds and returns for one more year.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 11:23 am to I Love Bama
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You are going down the wrong road. Say something about Julio Jones is over-rated if you want to see Funky get his balls in a wad.
He better fricking not
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:02 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Quit being so touchy man, I said it was not a flame. I think he is a wonderful player, but to say he is one of the best ever to play the position, that is a bold statement.
So would you say that Julio Jones is one of the best to play his position?
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