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re: Leo Lewis will attend the NCAA hearing with Ole Miss
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:04 am to matthew25
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:04 am to matthew25
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Matt Wyatt said today that Leo will be at the hearing. He doesn't want to jeopardize his NFL career.
He does not have any merchandise from Rebal Rags, and will have to remember which version of facts he told the investigator.
He doesn't have to show one piece of merchandise. Not one single piece. RR is known to have been doing this for years. OM people know it.
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:11 am to SouthOfHere
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OM people know it.
Yeah, we know State paid him too. Should State be sanctioned because we all "know" that? But the fact that the NCAA isn't a court of law doesn't mean they should just operate off of the word of one kid with no evidence and multiple stories. If that is actually the case which I don't know if it is.
In the end we are royally fricked without that. It's like not having enough evidence to convict Ted Bundy of an extra murder.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:15 am to GnashRebel
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It's like not having enough evidence to convict Ted Bundy of an extra murder.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:21 am to GnashRebel
Yea, State paid him. Should they be sanctioned for it? Probably. If our compliance department was ignorant enough to go into this situation without a backroom deal that they aren't gonna go after State if they help them out on this then we deserve everything that comes our way. I seriously doubt that happens though. That would basically ruin immunity for the NCAA going forward.
Second, you have no idea if Leo Lewis told different stories. All you know is what Ole Miss responded with. Ole Miss did not release the interview transcripts because it made them look guilty as shite. They released a few points (that the NCAA wholeheartedly rejected) in 3 interviews with LL. Also, it isn't just one kid's word. There are 3 people (LL, KJ, and LT's stepdad)from 3 different signing classes that tell the same story about that place. It's a joke that anyone thinks they are all lying and conspiring.
Second, you have no idea if Leo Lewis told different stories. All you know is what Ole Miss responded with. Ole Miss did not release the interview transcripts because it made them look guilty as shite. They released a few points (that the NCAA wholeheartedly rejected) in 3 interviews with LL. Also, it isn't just one kid's word. There are 3 people (LL, KJ, and LT's stepdad)from 3 different signing classes that tell the same story about that place. It's a joke that anyone thinks they are all lying and conspiring.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:24 am to GratefulTiger
Well, the ole Miss posters in that thread were high horsing it as much as freeze. what a bunch dumb arse koolaid drinkers. That whole bunch reminds me of the jim Jones cult idiots.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:25 am to peepingcrxxms
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Yea, State paid him. Should they be sanctioned for it? Probably. If our compliance department was ignorant enough to go into this situation without a backroom deal that they aren't gonna go after State if they help them out on this then we deserve everything that comes our way.
State as an institution is not involved in this and had zero say over it one way or the other, this is about specific players and their eligibility and the need to maintain it.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:30 am to peepingcrxxms
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All you know is what Ole Miss responded with
Even that response is funny. They say that Leo is lying because he told a different story than Barney about the booster meeting and giving Leo a bag of cash. They admit that it happened, even citing the tweet from booster to Barney, but Leo admitted to it differently than Barney.
The real injustice is that the interwebs are being robbed of so many hilarious stories like this, because the rebel defense team has decided to focus their fury on MSU. They know their days are numbered and the only thing they may be able to fall back on will be anger in the fanbase towards MSU. Many, many other teams turned in OM. Many, many other student athletes were interviewed and told the same stories of OM cheating.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:39 am to GnashRebel
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Yeah, we know State paid him too. Should State be sanctioned because we all "know" that? But the fact that the NCAA isn't a court of law doesn't mean they should just operate off of the word of one kid with no evidence and multiple stories. If that is actually the case which I don't know if it is.
You don't know what kind of evidence he brought to the NCAA. It's not like the NOA said "LL told us you paid him so we believe it so here's another infraction". Whatever his part in this was, it obviously had enough credibility that the NCAA (or rather the guy leading the investigation. You know, the one that gets about 98% of his charges to stay) filed it as an infraction.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:16 am to cave canem
If our institution didn't make sure we are going to be ok before one of our players went and told the NCAA that he took money from a school he didn't even sign with, we have a group of idiots running the show. Of course the official rule is that an institution can't be granted immunity, but anyone with a brain (and anyone that followed LL's recruitment) knew he had his hand out to multiple schools. If our people didn't make sure that they were "unofficially" covered then they are idiots.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:19 am to AshLSU
This Leo Lewis shite is nothing more than a diversion tactic. Same with the Rebel Rags lawsuit, they can't prove conspiracy with MSU/Mullen/Robertson. And "if" his business tanks then he can go sue Hugh Freeze for a shitty season in 2016 with no bowl, the self imposed bowl ban for '17, breaking rules with the Asst AD on a rampant scale, and fricking around with escort services on the company phone during the time he wasn't tweeting scripture to the masses.
There's no point in buying into this spin the Ole Miss people are spewing everyday about Lewis. Lewis is one SA out of 50, Terry Warren is one Booster out of over a dozen, MSU is one university out of over a dozen, and the Lewis allegation is one of 21 in their NOA.
There's no point in buying into this spin the Ole Miss people are spewing everyday about Lewis. Lewis is one SA out of 50, Terry Warren is one Booster out of over a dozen, MSU is one university out of over a dozen, and the Lewis allegation is one of 21 in their NOA.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:26 am to RT1941
The Rebel Rags suit is a joke to anyone not in Oxford
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:35 am to peepingcrxxms
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If our institution didn't make sure we are going to be ok before one of our players went and told the NCAA that he took money from a school he didn't even sign with, we have a group of idiots running the show. Of course the official rule is that an institution can't be granted immunity,
Pretty sure the NCAA approached LL after finding the trail and not the other way around, MSU had no say in the matter.
Could be wrong but that is my understanding of how it went down.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:38 am to cave canem
Even if they did, they needed his testimony to tie it all together. If they didn't need that, there would have been no need to give him immunity. MSU had a bargaining chip with the NCAA needing that testimony. From everything that has transpired, it appears that they used it. Either that or they just assumed that the NCAA would not burn the bridge that is immunity forever by going after a school whose player just helped them out tremendously.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:43 am to NIH
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The Rebel Rags suit is a joke to anyone not in Oxford
People in Oxford forget that the burden is on the plaintiff to prove what he claims is true, not on the defendants to prove it isn't.
I said this previously, but each of the three claims are going to be tough to win on - let alone all of them:
Defamation in this case requires proof that the comments were A) false, and B) were the cause of financial harm. Given that the NCAA has long been investigating Ole Miss, your season sucked, your recruiting class sucked, and your immediate future looks bleak, there are any number of factors that could contribute to potential revenue loss. Good luck proving that RR's revenue loss is tied to the private testimony of 3 indiviuals.
Commercial Disparagement would require proof that the testimony of Lewis and Kobe (and Tunsil's step dad) was made for purposes of harming the specific business. Good luck with that one.
Civil Conspiracy is going to require the plaintiff to show evidence that these individuals conspired NOT to bring down Ole Miss, but to cause financial harm to RR. Again, good luck with that one
Posted on 7/28/17 at 9:54 am to peepingcrxxms
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Second, you have no idea if Leo Lewis told different stories.
I specifically said that. I was just explaining the theory of what it would appear OM is trying to do.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:01 am to peepingcrxxms
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MSU had a bargaining chip with the NCAA needing that testimony. From everything that has transpired,
And what chip would that be?
I'm not sure you understand how this works, LL had one choice, cooperate or no longer be eligible to compete in any NCAA sanctioned sport.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:13 am to cave canem
I'm well aware of how it works. Maybe you aren't. He had to interview with them. They didn't have enough evidence to nail them without his testimony, so he didn't have to tell them he got paid (like a bunch of other SA's that interviewed with the NCAA did and didn't get mentioned in the NOA). Obviously they had some circumstantial evidence linking him to these infractions, but if he would have went in there and said he did not get paid they would not have had enough evidence to support a charge. He could have very easily done that the same way every one of the OM recruits did and nothing would have happened.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:17 am to peepingcrxxms
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I'm well aware of how it works. Maybe you aren't. He had to interview with them. They didn't have enough evidence to nail them without his testimony, so he didn't have to tell them he got paid (like a bunch of other SA's that interviewed with the NCAA did and didn't get mentioned in the NOA).
He got caught by text messages on others phones is my understanding, either way MSU had no chip to bargain with.
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They didn't have enough evidence to nail them without his testimon
They are nailed with or without this one charge, have you read the NOA?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:21 am to cave canem
The text message is circumstantial and could have been explained away if Leo wanted to go that route. With his testimony, it basically makes the NCAA's case for this specific infraction rock solid.
Yes they are nailed without this charge and yes I've read the NOA and the addendum. I was speaking about nailing them on this specific infraction, not overall. They would not have given Leo immunity if they had a rock solid case for this particular infraction without his testimony. That's pretty much common sense.
Yes they are nailed without this charge and yes I've read the NOA and the addendum. I was speaking about nailing them on this specific infraction, not overall. They would not have given Leo immunity if they had a rock solid case for this particular infraction without his testimony. That's pretty much common sense.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:38 am to peepingcrxxms
quote:What bargaining chip did MSU have? Do you think MSU had some kind of leverage or had a choice whether they participated in the investigation or not?
Even if they did, they needed his testimony to tie it all together. If they didn't need that, there would have been no need to give him immunity. MSU had a bargaining chip with the NCAA needing that testimony. From everything that has transpired, it appears that they used it. Either that or they just assumed that the NCAA would not burn the bridge that is immunity forever by going after a school whose player just helped them out tremendously.
Dan Mullen is on the NCAA Oversight Committee, he knows how the committee he is a part of operates.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:39 am
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