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re: Leo Lewis will attend the NCAA hearing with Ole Miss
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:33 pm to REBSontheRISE
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:33 pm to REBSontheRISE
quote:You make it sound like the COI has obtained, researched, and reviewed the testimony and transcripts from the Terry Warren (RR) civil case vs Lewis/Jones/Miller.
if I post the blatant discrepancies in his stories, would it make a difference to you? no...but perhaps it will to the COI.
Do you really think the COI will allow the Ole Miss representatives to try to haul in "evidence" from a civil case that has nothing to do with Ole Miss? The COI will laugh right Bjork/Vitter's face if they even mention a civil case that has zero regard to the two parties in attendance >>> NCAA/Ole Miss.
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:35 pm to Number 31
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They won the championship. It would have been a PR disaster to have to vacate a championship. Ole Miss didn't. That's one of the differences here.
I can buy that. it is what it is.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:39 pm to RT1941
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Do you really think the COI will allow the Ole Miss representatives to try to haul in "evidence" from a civil case that has nothing to do with Ole Miss? The COI will laugh right Bjork/Vitter's face if they even mention a civil case that has zero regard to the two parties in attendance >>> NCAA/Ole Miss.
when 1/4th of the allegations against us directly pertain to the civil case, if our defense is not allowed to be heard then every conference brother should be very very worried about their own program if/when the gestapo starts casting devious stares in your direction
EDITED TO ADD:21 total allegations...5 involving Leo Lewis/rebelrags n such = 1/4th
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:42 pm to REBSontheRISE
quote:Ole Miss is a voluntary member of the shady gestapo though, and they are well aware of the tactics used in investigations and approved/voted on the tactics the member institution would use to obtain evidence.
it shows the beginning of a pattern of unethical, shady and gestapo like tactics used in the investigation, by misrepresenting themselves in order to gain evidence.
The investigator never misrepresented himself, he just came across an incompetent hotel clerk that had no problem doling out one of their guests folio's to any ole Tom, Dick, or Mike that happened to call for it.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:45 pm to RT1941
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Ole Miss is a voluntary member of the shady gestapo though, and they are well aware of the tactics used in investigations and approved/voted on the tactics the member institution would use to obtain evidence.
is your argument that as an alumnus of a school that is a member of the shady gestapo, I should keep my mouth shut, bend over and scream THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER? please understand that I am aware and have accepted that my schools football program will be destroyed. it does not mean that I have to like it, the way it went down.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:48 pm to REBSontheRISE
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is your argument that as an alumnus of a school that is a member of the shady gestapo, I should keep my mouth shut, bend over and scream THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER? please understand that I am aware and have accepted that my schools football program will be destroyed. it does not mean that I have to like it, the way it went down.
I believe his argument is you dont know what actually transpired and just typing a bunch of shite, based on this comment
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by misrepresenting themselves in order to gain evidence.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:49 pm to REBSontheRISE
quote:Why the hell didn't the Ole Miss legal team fish for the same evidence Charlie Merkyl (sp) went fishing for when he was building the RR case?
when 1/4th of the allegations against us directly pertain to the civil case, if our defense is not allowed to be heard then every conference brother should be very very worried about their own program if/when the gestapo looks your direction
EDITED TO ADD:21 total allegations...5 involving Leo Lewis/rebelrags n such = 1/4th
It's too late dude. Ole Miss has already responded to the NOA, the COI reviewed the OM response and rejected it in its entirety.
Now OM is forced to go before the COI and try their damnedest to sell the COI on Hugh Freeze being a man of honor, integrity, and honesty. They have to try make the COI folks believe that Hugh knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. And that he did everything in his power to harbor an atmosphere of compliance while over half his staffers were running rogue and personally orchestrating deals between Boosters/recruits/players.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:50 pm to REBSontheRISE
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21 total allegations
For now.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:50 pm to REBSontheRISE
I thought this process was done via OM response to the NOA. To which the NCAA rejected in their response. They heard your defense and rejected it right? This(COI) is the sentencing part? I am asking not trolling.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 12:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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NYCAuburn
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:00 pm to RT1941
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Now OM is forced to go before the COI and try their damnedest to sell the COI on Hugh Freeze being a man of honor, integrity, and honesty. They have to try make the COI folks believe that Hugh knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing. And that he did everything in his power to harbor an atmosphere of compliance while over half his staffers were running rogue and personally orchestrating deals between Boosters/recruits/players.
now to go back to the beginning of the thread with a billy mays comment about the OP
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The COI can at least look at Lewis and decide for themselves if he's credible. What if the COI asks Lewis to explain the discrepancies between his story at RR's evidence rebuttal? Leo just gonna drop some platitudes and convince the COI he's an innocent victim of Ole Miss?
OM will be trying to do this after they let him go/resign after a pattern of misconduct...
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:01 pm to REBSontheRISE
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Ole Miss is a voluntary member of the shady gestapo though, and they are well aware of the tactics used in investigations and approved/voted on the tactics the member institution would use to obtain evidence.
quote:It's a pretty cut 'n dry argument. YOU may not like the way the investigation was handled, YOU may not like the way YOUR Administration has handled this whole sorry set of events, YOU may not agree with the policy and procedure voted on by the member institutions of the NCAA.
is your argument that as an alumnus of a school that is a member of the shady gestapo, I should keep my mouth shut, bend over and scream THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER? please understand that I am aware and have accepted that my schools football program will be destroyed. it does not mean that I have to like it, the way it went down.
But that doesn't change the fact that the NOA was delivered, OM responded in kind with their defense/evidence/rebuttals, the NCAA reviewed the OM response and rejected in it's entirety. Now they are left to face the COI with an Athletic Director who will have THREE programs on probation and a former Head Coach with a "pattern of personal misconduct" who was forced to resign or get terminated for cause due to his moral turpitude.
It's ugly man - real ugly. But as an alum, I think I'd want some answers from my Administration and I'd scream like hell to find out what the hell they were using as a Compliance Dept to land 3 programs on probation at the same time?
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:02 pm to RT1941
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s, the NCAA reviewed the OM response and rejected in it's entirety
I think this is rumor at this point, I may be wrong
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:04 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:None are so blind as those who will not see.
OM will be trying to do this after they let him go/resign after a pattern of misconduct...
I'd bet a dollar to a dime that piddly civil suit between Terry Warren (Booster #?) and Lewis/Jones/Miller won't even get a mention.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:07 pm to RT1941
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It's a pretty cut 'n dry argument. YOU may not like the way the investigation was handled, YOU may not like the way YOUR Administration has handled this whole sorry set of events, YOU may not agree with the policy and procedure voted on by the member institutions of the NCAA. But that doesn't change the fact that the NOA was delivered, OM responded in kind with their defense/evidence/rebuttals, the NCAA reviewed the OM response and rejected in it's entirety. Now they are left to face the COI with an Athletic Director who will have THREE programs on probation and a former Head Coach with a "pattern of personal misconduct" who was forced to resign or get terminated for cause due to his moral turpitude. It's ugly man - real ugly. But as an alum, I think I'd want some answers from my Administration and I'd scream like hell to find out what the hell they were using as a Compliance Dept to land 3 programs on probation at the same time?
I upvoted.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:09 pm to matthew25
When they slammed Alabama they didn't ask Albert Means if anyone "else" offered him money. They were just deciding if Alabama did. ...and guess what.
If Leo Lewis was radioactive Ole Miss should have stepped away.
If Leo Lewis was radioactive Ole Miss should have stepped away.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:09 pm to NYCAuburn
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the NCAA reviewed the OM response and rejected in it's entirety
quote:Correct - I've seen nothing concrete on that either.
I think this is rumor at this point, I may be wrong
I just don't believe it's going to matter one way or the other when they face the COI. And the in's & out's of a civil suit won't be allowed as evidence in front of the committee anyway.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:10 pm to 1loyalbamafan
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When they slammed Alabama they didn't ask Albert Means if anyone "else" offered him money. They were just deciding if Alabama did. ...and guess what.
eh, it was still what they could prove and who got immunity. UK got in trouble as a result of Means
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:10 pm to REBSontheRISE
quote:Back at ya!
I upvoted.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:11 pm to 1loyalbamafan
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When they slammed Alabama they didn't ask Albert Means if anyone "else" offered him money. They were just deciding if Alabama did. ...and guess what.
Actually they found several other schools that played that game, but they didn't care when it came to hammering Bama
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