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Kentucky's NC in football came at the Sooner's expense

Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted by BigBlue8Titles
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2014
2450 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:28 pm
Oklahoma was ranked #1 going into the Sugar Bowl and Kentucky shocked them for the win and the National Championship (ie a NC that many other SEC schools can't claim). For the Sooner fans on here, could this be a foretaste of what they would face if they joined the SEC??

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Posted by ZOU
STL
Member since Oct 2014
1841 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:31 pm to
You would think Kentucky has enough accolades in hoops that they don't have to stoop to the level of claiming fake national championships.
Posted by BigBlue8Titles
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2014
2450 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

You would think Kentucky has enough accolades in hoops that they don't have to stoop to the level of claiming fake national championships.


Fake, lol. This is a TENNESSEE TITANS site and many sports media figures credit UK for the 1950 NC. Until the playoff started a few years ago, most NCs were disputed by some. This one is pretty undisputed.
Posted by Dude man 25
Member since Dec 2016
461 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:36 pm to
We'd try to help you out
Posted by ALA2262
Cumming, GA
Member since Jun 2016
1683 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:48 pm to
From the link:

quote:

Win a national title and not take the easiest road available to get there. They stood up to any and all competition


Kentucky played FOUR non-1A teams in 1950. Lost to the only 1A team with a winning record they played in the regular season.

1950-Kentucky (SEC)

9/16 vs. North Texas (non-IA) W 25 0
9/23 vs. *Louisiana State (4-5-2) W 14 0
9/30 vs. *Mississippi (5-5) W 27 0
10/7 vs. Dayton (non-IA) W 40 0
10/14 vs. Cincinnati (non-IA) W 41 7
10/21 vs. Villanova (4-5) W 34 7 @ Philadelphia, PA
10/28 @ *Georgia Tech (5-6) W 28 14
11/4 vs. *Florida (5-5) W 40 6
11/11 @ *Mississippi State (4-5) W 48 21
11/18 vs. North Dakota (non-IA) W 83 0
11/25 @ *Tennessee (11-1) L 0 7
1/1 vs. Oklahoma (10-1) W 13 7 @ New Orleans, LA Sugar Bowl

Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71234 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:48 pm to
Congrats on your title, but in this case Oklahoma is more relevant in football than Kentucky.

Not taking away the fact you guys are a basketball powerhouse.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20480 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Lost to the only 1A team with a winning record they played in the regular season.


Not their fault the SEC sucked dick that year.

Kind of like this year.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20480 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Lost to the only 1A team with a winning record they played in the regular season.


Not their fault the SEC sucked dick that year.

Kind of like this year.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20828 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

Fake, lol. This is a TENNESSEE TITANS site and many sports media figures credit UK for the 1950 NC. Until the playoff started a few years ago, most NCs were disputed by some. This one is pretty undisputed.


The only selector that recognized Kentucky didn't exist for almost 40 years after the season.
Posted by ALA2262
Cumming, GA
Member since Jun 2016
1683 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:33 am to
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The only selector that recognized Kentucky didn't exist for almost 40 years after the season.



Not quite.

1 Total Major College National Championship Year(s)

No

Year

Record

Selector

1
1950
11-1-0
Bill Libby
Loren Maxwell
Sagarin Ratings
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68268 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:38 am to
I am surprised bama doesnt claim it since bryant was the coach
Posted by ALA2262
Cumming, GA
Member since Jun 2016
1683 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:14 am to
quote:

Not their fault the SEC sucked dick that year. Kind of like this year.


True. And all of them would have had a winning record had they beaten Kentucky.
Posted by Oklahomey
Bucksnort, TN
Member since Mar 2013
4991 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:39 am to
Tennessee has more of a claim than Kentucky, and has more selectors. Tennessee finished higher in the polls. Tennessee and UK finished with same record. Only reason UK won SEC is because they played more games.

Kentucky has nothing but a bowl trophy. OU has the real hardware.
Posted by MedDawg
Member since Dec 2009
4457 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

The only selector that recognized Kentucky didn't exist for almost 40 years after the season.


Speaking of,can anyone provide a link to Sagarin's retroactive national championships? In the recent past I looked and looked and was not able to find them. Only where individual schools claim them.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54617 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Kentucky has nothing but a bowl trophy.


1951 Sugar Bowl Program = .50 cents (70 bucks today on Ebay)
1951 Sugar Bowl Ticket = 4.50 cents (185 bucks today on Ebay)
1951 Sugar Bowl win by Kentucky = PRICELESS

Ending the 3 year undefeated reign of Oklahoma is worth much more than just an old trophy.

Posted by sows
Member since Dec 2015
46 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 3:59 pm to
Wasn't OU named national champs before this game was ever played? I think so, that's how it was done back then. The bowl games then were simply a reward for the players.

I didn't know UK claimed this. Then again some SEC teams are pretty liberal with their application of championships.

Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54617 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

I didn't know UK claimed this.


The answer was already in your response.

When you announce the MNC before the bowls, it is viewed as suspect based on how the game values the post season. Back when it was just 4 or 5 bowls, they were still big enough deals as to bragging rights. Why do you think the Rose Bowl stopped letting the SEC play after WW II?

quote:

I think so, that's how it was done back then.


Which is why they changed the system.

Face it, OU has been arse chapped for year for letting a basketball school break their run in football so they have to diminish it to ease the pain.

FWIW, the Maryland post season and the Kentucky postseason were 2 watershed game to move the final polls till all the bowl games had been played. As this is how it is done currently, it seems a retroactive award based on the current system is not as flawed as you imply.

While the Bear may have been a new HC at UK, it is not like he did not rove himself later in life. Saban wan a Natty @ LSU before he one @ Bama. Are you suggesting the LSU MNC was diminished just because it came earlier?
Posted by ColoBama
The Kayng of College Fusball, CO
Member since Dec 2016
7433 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 8:53 pm to
quote:

Kentucky's NC in football came at the Sooner's expense



with that weak arse schedule, GTFO.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54617 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

10/21 vs. Villanova (4-5) W 34 7 @ Philadelphia, PA


Home game for Villanova

Villanova went to bowls in the old days, just ask Auburn, Villanova played them to a tie in their bowl game.

Auburn University, had rolled up an impressive 7-2-2 record and had closed out the 1936 regular season with six shutout wins on their schedule. Villanova, under coaching great Maurice J. "Clipper" Smith, piled up a sterling 7-2 record, and had earned victories over the likes of Penn State, Boston University, Detroit and South Carolina. Like Auburn, Villanova boasted of an outstanding defense, one that recorded four shutouts and had not allowed any opponent more than seven points.
Posted by Oklahomey
Bucksnort, TN
Member since Mar 2013
4991 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:34 pm to
Keep grasping. Kentucky doesn't have any piece of the 1950 national title. Let's take a look at the final AP poll for that season:

1. Oklahoma
2. Army
3. Texas
4. Tennessee
5. California
6. Princeton
7. Kentucky
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