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re: Kentucky vs Mississippi State Roll Call!
Posted on 10/5/12 at 6:14 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
Posted on 10/5/12 at 6:14 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
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I'm headed to the game this weekend to show my support for the BIG BLUE NATION!!!
UK fans will be out in droves due to a rumor that the Harrison twins will be there...
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Posted on 10/5/12 at 6:20 pm to engie
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What about Florida? Those basketball and football programs are rolling
Florida is the exception and not the rule.
Louisville has Papa Johns for their football stadium and YUM (Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell, et all) for their basketball arena. They also have a plethora of corporate HQ's including Humana and Brown Foreman. It is much easier for Louisville to excel because they are in the Big East which is not the fortress of powerful college football programs.
Kansas State and Baylor have --0-- combined football and basketball championships. One year in an offense only conference with a once in a generation star has yet to prove sustainable. Same with Missouri who at least has bigger numbers to work with for future growth and can tap that Wal Mart money for facilities.
Cincinnati is like Louisville in that they do not play an SEC schedule so it is easier for them to get wins instead of losses. Florida State had a run in the past in football and has never been a power in basketball. Michigan is the football school and Michigan State is the basketball school. Wisconsin has neither. Notre Dame has a football past and no basketball history.
That leaves you with Florida and Ohio State which are Top 5 states when it comes to population and both have deep corporate pockets to tap. Even then football rules both schools and look at how many games their basketball teams sell out smaller venues in a given year. At this years Final Four the Buckeyes had by far the biggest number of living alumni of the 4 schools but the lowest turnout.
It is not the question of just paying Strong as Joker is getting close to that right now. It is the total cost of the entire staff plus all the recurring costs in a conference where it is hard to remain at the top without displacing another team to do it. If Cincinnati displaces Pitt the cost is tiny compared to Kentucky trying to displace Florida or Georgia
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:03 am to Cheese Grits
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Again you think it is as simple as a new coach and new debt. I hate to tell you but it is not that simple. I remember a time when the K Fund was the BW Fund and I can remember a time when there was no fund at all.
Which is why I said:
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There's enough money there to at the very least conduct a coaching search instead of handing the keys to a guy who has no HC experience. A coaching change the most financially feasible move right now given UK's funding circumstances.
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The correct answer is attracting long term Fortune 500 companies that will write the really big checks necessary to compete at the top level.
Or stop turning up your nose at naming rights. But I don't have much control of that.
If boosters aren't going to put the money into the program then the only way to make it attractive at this point is to bring someone in who can. If you're not going to do one (yes I understand the limitations) then you have to do the other.
Buy anyway, hoping for an injury free matchup today with the Dawgs. Maybe we can keep it respectable. This is one of those games Joker is going to have to win to keep his job. And I'll still watch from whistle to whistle (despite comments that I apparently don't support the kids or something).
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:19 am to UKWildcatsFAN
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To hell with you state fans? You only grind in starkville?
Most of us are going to the LSU, Bama, and Ole Miss road games. No offense but UK is a long arse way away.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:22 am to Cheese Grits
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Michigan has football but not basketball
Michigan is pretty good in basketball and are ranked in most preseason top 25 polls.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:27 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Michigan is pretty good in basketball and are ranked in most preseason top 25 polls.
Yeah, they may have not been Fab Five level in the last few years but even if you don't consider the banners they've taken down they have a very solid basketball program.
I'm starting to think Cheese is just knighting for the athletic department I'm railing against.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 8:32 am
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:37 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Most of us are going to the LSU, Bama, and Ole Miss road games. No offense but UK is a long arse way away.
Don't let the OP give you shite. The only reason he's going is because his primary team Western Kentucky is in their BYE week.
FWIW, I'd feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot. 7-8 hours is a long haul and if I'm limited on my road trips (like most normal people are) it's not going to be to a game that isn't going to matter much in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:51 am to BluegrassBelle
And it's like really cold outside.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:57 am to Slippery Slope
Yep, it's only 40 degrees right now and won't be over 55 at kickoff.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 8:58 am to BluegrassBelle
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Or stop turning up your nose at naming rights.
The issue with naming rights is threefold:
#1) In city is easier than out of city - Which is why I keep harping on Fortune 500 companies in Lexington.
#2) Sponsors want to be associated with winners which UK has not been able to manage
#3) UK's adamant non use of the stadium for exterior events
The easiest would be the last and I know several folks who have lobbied for this since Commonwealth was built. If they had gone for some big summer acts back then they might have built brand value for the venue outside of football which would have made corporate sponsorship easier today. If the Rolling Stones and the Who played Rupp way back when why did they never push for Commonwealth?
If you have a structure that large with only 6 use days in a year you already heave a financial albatross hanging around your neck. Every secondary event helps bring this cost down but UK never pursued this with greater effort so donors need to come up with a greater share of the load and the money is just not there. The horse industry could have been a white knight but UK has supported the local developers in killing that industry.
Again, switching coaches is a short term band aid that still does not address the longer term issues. The problem with the band aid approach is your pool is limited. A coach like Strong will move up the ladder not down it and a less proven coach is a bigger gamble. Brooks and Jerry worked because they were already past their prime and could afford the time and the negative impact on their career.
My question to you is what coach can fill Joker's slot and stabilize the program for around the 2 million Joker is getting paid right now? Brooks and Jerry were not hot young coaches but both got the program to a bottom bowl game level and they have given UK the greatest success since Bear Bryant while not getting UK in trouble with the NCAA.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:01 am to Slippery Slope
I drove 11 hours to the Gator Bowl. Doubt I will do that again. It's 10 hours for me to Lexington. Just too far for a football game - for me anyway.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:09 am to UKWildcatsFAN
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get put through the grinder.
ISWYDT
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:15 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Michigan is pretty good in basketball and are ranked in most preseason top 25 polls.
Michigan has not been to a Sweet 16 since 1994. That was almost 20 years ago! I would not put that in the elite category of college basketball programs.
Michigan has 1 banner in their entire basketball history and their Sweet 16 history less the vacated years is pitiful. 3 trips in the 60's, 3 trips in the 70's, 2 trips in the 80's, and 1 trip in the 90's. Since 1994 they have not been there so how do you get that they have a top basketball program?
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:20 am to Cheese Grits
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Again, switching coaches is a short term band aid that still does not address the longer term issues.
No one said it is a long term solution so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. I've already said and others have already said that
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My question to you is what coach can fill Joker's slot and stabilize the program for around the 2 million Joker is getting paid right now?
The better question is why UK's athletic department thinks they should make their Women's Basketball coach one of the highest paid coaches in the country but then don't want to spend money on a football coach. You can't say the money's not there to pay someone more then Joker when you're doing things like that.
But to answer your question, I'm willing to bet you could pay someone with more HC experience then Joker that money to come to UK. And to be frank UK is losing money with Joker at the helm. Lots of money. UK has suffered an almost 20,000 fan decline in attendance per home game at this point. Courtesy of John Clay:
We can't afford to keep Joker at that rate.
But as I said, it's pretty apparent we're not going to agree on these things. So I'm going to digress.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 9:30 am
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:32 am to BluegrassBelle
And I hope we're wearing these again:
All it's missing is the Power K on the helmet. We may get beat but damnit we're gonna look good in the process.
All it's missing is the Power K on the helmet. We may get beat but damnit we're gonna look good in the process.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:46 am to BluegrassBelle
Belle,
The reason I bring this up is because you are fury without direction. You attack Joker and Matthew because they are easy targets and it makes you feel good to vent your spleen. I understand that and I can empathize but you are barking up the wrong tree. I try to get you to see a bigger view and you go right back to the small world. I give you a solid suggestion about using Commonwealth more and you bypass it for attacks on individuals.
Your constant harping on Matthew is just proof you just want to bitch, and that is okay, but at least accept you are doing this instead of making it the beacon of your debate. As for Matthew it is probably a multi tier approach for UK to keep him at UK.
a) He is winning and getting UK national exposure for a program not named UK Men's Basketball
b) Pat has retired at Tennessee so UK has a window to carve their own niche in this growing market and broadcast space
c) Women's Basketball is much cheaper to fund than Men's Football.
d) Having a solid WCBB program helps recruiting on the MCBB side. If you attended a game in Memorial you would know this because you could see what was happening in the stands.
e) The women's team made the Elite Eight in 2010 and 2012 which was double the appearances of the entire previous history.
f) I believe Matthew is the only UK coach who has signed a McDonald's All American for the women's program
g) Matthew has shown he can recruit many elite talents to play for Kentucky which is more than Kentucky football can do
The reason I bring this up is because you are fury without direction. You attack Joker and Matthew because they are easy targets and it makes you feel good to vent your spleen. I understand that and I can empathize but you are barking up the wrong tree. I try to get you to see a bigger view and you go right back to the small world. I give you a solid suggestion about using Commonwealth more and you bypass it for attacks on individuals.
Your constant harping on Matthew is just proof you just want to bitch, and that is okay, but at least accept you are doing this instead of making it the beacon of your debate. As for Matthew it is probably a multi tier approach for UK to keep him at UK.
a) He is winning and getting UK national exposure for a program not named UK Men's Basketball
b) Pat has retired at Tennessee so UK has a window to carve their own niche in this growing market and broadcast space
c) Women's Basketball is much cheaper to fund than Men's Football.
d) Having a solid WCBB program helps recruiting on the MCBB side. If you attended a game in Memorial you would know this because you could see what was happening in the stands.
e) The women's team made the Elite Eight in 2010 and 2012 which was double the appearances of the entire previous history.
f) I believe Matthew is the only UK coach who has signed a McDonald's All American for the women's program
g) Matthew has shown he can recruit many elite talents to play for Kentucky which is more than Kentucky football can do
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:57 am to Cheese Grits
ETA: frick it. I can't realistically argue with someone who actually says Women's Basketball gets us more exposure then a Football program that better deserves the money because it pays the bills.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 10:04 am
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:09 am to BluegrassBelle
Good Lawd Belle,
It is freezing out here.
They are going to need some blankets sitting on those cold arse bleachers today.
Go Cats!!!
It is freezing out here.
They are going to need some blankets sitting on those cold arse bleachers today.
Go Cats!!!
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:12 am to WildKat
That it is. I love it though. Fall is my time of year weather wise.
Should be around 50s for kickoff. Maybe we can freeze the Dawgs out today.
And Go Cats indeed.
Should be around 50s for kickoff. Maybe we can freeze the Dawgs out today.
And Go Cats indeed.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:13 am to BluegrassBelle
It is 30 degrees colder in Memphis today than it was yesterday.
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