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re: Just how good is Gary Pinkel, really?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:37 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:37 am to Vols&Shaft83
Its what he does with 2* and 3* that makes him and the coaching staff so amazing.
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:38 am to CrimsonChin
The best thing about GP is that ever since he got to Mizzou, our team has been a train that always picks up steam. We were in horrible shape when he got here. After he arrived, we were still mediocre for a while without a lot of talent on the roster. He got us over the hump against Nebraska and the Big 12 North with Chase Daniel as his QB. He got us over the hump against OU and Texas once our DL and OL play really started to improve. He's got us to 14-2 in conference play our last two years in the SEC with some good wins. It'll be interesting to see how far he can take this program.
He's molded the Tigers to be opposite of teams like Auburn. Auburn goes out and signs great talent or grabs talented transfers after they're booted off their previous teams for various crimes against humanity. Auburn then barfs this talent all over the field and hopes it is good enough. That works every once in a while at a very high level.
GP has only signed a handful of five star recruits. He shines at finding unpolished stones and turning them into diamonds. He's also had a long run of great QB play, but outstanding QB play has not been as imported for the last five or so years as our DL and OL play has improved. It's tough road, but it's the best way for a school that isn't going to bring in top ten recruiting classes every year.
He's molded the Tigers to be opposite of teams like Auburn. Auburn goes out and signs great talent or grabs talented transfers after they're booted off their previous teams for various crimes against humanity. Auburn then barfs this talent all over the field and hopes it is good enough. That works every once in a while at a very high level.
GP has only signed a handful of five star recruits. He shines at finding unpolished stones and turning them into diamonds. He's also had a long run of great QB play, but outstanding QB play has not been as imported for the last five or so years as our DL and OL play has improved. It's tough road, but it's the best way for a school that isn't going to bring in top ten recruiting classes every year.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:40 am to NeverToYield
Pinkel is decent has a system in place....aka an identity and recruits to it.
Nebraska throttled Missouri for like 25 years in a row and took until Pinkel to get in the win column.
Pinkel does lose to teams like Indiana though.
Nebraska throttled Missouri for like 25 years in a row and took until Pinkel to get in the win column.
Pinkel does lose to teams like Indiana though.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:40 am to WeeWee
Considering top rated athletes or assistant coaches WEREN'T lining up to go to Mizzou when he got there I'd say 8.8/10.0. It's been a slow process & every year we get a little better athlete and better coaching.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:40 am to WithaRebelYell
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Did he hire someone new in 2006 or 2007?
Chase Daniel was our QB 2006-2008. There was a ton of talent on that team during that era (Jeremy Maclin, Sean Weatherspoon, William Moore, Ziggy Hood, Martin Rucker, Danario Alexander, and Chase Coffman to name some of them), but the key was Daniel.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:44 am to nebraskafaninwi
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Pinkel is decent has a system in place....aka an identity and recruits to it.
Nebraska throttled Missouri for like 25 years in a row and took until Pinkel to get in the win column.
Pinkel does lose to teams like Indiana though.
On the other hand GP's Tigers have surpassed ten wins three times from 2007 to present. The last time Nebraska did that was 2001. That was also GP's first year at Mizzou. So even with that loss to Indiana, GP's Tigers are demonstrably better than Nebraska.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:45 am to scrooster
Someday he'll have a statue. Most of the SEC does not know about the DARK years for Mizzou football. 1984 to 2001. It was bad, real bad. Woody's wagon, Stull and a wreck of a chancellor who hated anything sports...Babs Uehling. We couldn't beat Mother Teresa's School for the Blind.
Pinkel and others brought us out of that cesspool. He's done some super heavy lifting. He got us to the SEC and we're earning some respect as newbies. Look what he did at Toledo, which you ignored. We were robbed of a BCS bowl in 2007. Instead we creamed the piglets in the Cotton.
Based upon his body of work, he's a 8.5/10. And he's not done. Underrate him at your own expense.
Pinkel and others brought us out of that cesspool. He's done some super heavy lifting. He got us to the SEC and we're earning some respect as newbies. Look what he did at Toledo, which you ignored. We were robbed of a BCS bowl in 2007. Instead we creamed the piglets in the Cotton.
Based upon his body of work, he's a 8.5/10. And he's not done. Underrate him at your own expense.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 9:48 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:46 am to NeverToYield
ummmmmmm, kinda hard to win at at a school like Missouri or in the Mid West. Oklahoma can piggy back off of Texas.
Nebraska did it for awhile back in the day, but they are a far cry from the glory days.
I would say he is a 2nd tier Coach. Not in the class of Saban, Meyer, Chip Kelly (When he coached college), but can't think of anyone outside of that group I would just jump at the chance of taking over him.
Nebraska did it for awhile back in the day, but they are a far cry from the glory days.
I would say he is a 2nd tier Coach. Not in the class of Saban, Meyer, Chip Kelly (When he coached college), but can't think of anyone outside of that group I would just jump at the chance of taking over him.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:50 am to scrooster
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I'd rank Pinkel at an 8/10, as a coach, from what I've seen of him so far.
He's seems to be more than competent in all areas that are pertinent to him doing his job.
agreed, he's had enough longevity to prove himself and he's done well.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:53 am to mizslu314
I still get a kick out of the 27 point 4th QTR against Missouri...lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVGn-jPciB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVGn-jPciB4
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:54 am to NeverToYield
I would rank Pinkel as one of the best coaches in the country outside of the elite category. He's not elite, but he's arguably the best coach who isn't elite.
I'd rank him somewhere between 10th and 15th in the country.
I'd rank him somewhere between 10th and 15th in the country.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:14 am to nebraskafaninwi
I dont.
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I still get a kick out of the 27 point 4th QTR against Missouri...lol
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This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:19 am to NeverToYield
He was mediocre at best his first 2 seasons and very meh for the first 6 years he was there.
It just goes to show stability and continuity are everything in a program. I find it funny MU fans try to blast Butch Jones for his first two seasons at UT when Pinkel looked like dog shite for over half a decade before he got it rolling. Both programs were at historic lows when their respective coaches took over ftr.
All that being said, for now, he is probably the best coach in the East and makes it work with what he's got. I don't think he'll ever get the type of recruits he needs to make it to the elite level, but he's turned MU into a respectable program.
It just goes to show stability and continuity are everything in a program. I find it funny MU fans try to blast Butch Jones for his first two seasons at UT when Pinkel looked like dog shite for over half a decade before he got it rolling. Both programs were at historic lows when their respective coaches took over ftr.
All that being said, for now, he is probably the best coach in the East and makes it work with what he's got. I don't think he'll ever get the type of recruits he needs to make it to the elite level, but he's turned MU into a respectable program.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:26 am to NeverToYield
People get too hung up on recruiting rankings and think we don't have talent. That's incredibly false. What GP does that sets him apart is he routinely abuses the recruiting rankings and vastly outperforms them. Our 13 team was as talented as any in the country for example.
I'd say 8.5/10. It's hard to judge a guy by national titles/conference titles at a school who hasn't won one since '69 and was in the shitter when he took over. He's a great coach.
I'd say 8.5/10. It's hard to judge a guy by national titles/conference titles at a school who hasn't won one since '69 and was in the shitter when he took over. He's a great coach.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:27 am to TRUERockyTop
I don't recall, was Mizzou pumping out Game of Pinkel posters after a few mediocre seasons?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:28 am to NeverToYield
Danielson called him elite on Finebaum yesterday. I don't know about that but he is a damn good coach.
Sooner or later though, he needs to win a conference title or major bowl.
Sooner or later though, he needs to win a conference title or major bowl.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:32 am to Sarcastro
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quote: Pinkel is decent has a system in place....aka an identity and recruits to it. Nebraska throttled Missouri for like 25 years in a row and took until Pinkel to get in the win column. Pinkel does lose to teams like Indiana though. On the other hand GP's Tigers have surpassed ten wins three times from 2007 to present. The last time Nebraska did that was 2001. That was also GP's first year at Mizzou. So even with that loss to Indiana, GP's Tigers are demonstrably better than Nebraska.
5 ten win seasons since '07. That's more than a very long list of "helmet teams" that I'm not going to list. Since '06 we have only failed to reach 8 wins 1 time and that was due to a historic run of injuries. The guy is just really good. He has a dogmatic devotion to the Don James system and it works.
I hope he gets a conference title before he hangs it up. He deserves it.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:33 am to Sarcastro
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I don't recall, was Mizzou pumping out Game of Pinkel posters after a few mediocre seasons?
Pinkel doesn't rhyme with Thrones
The show wasn't out yet
You weren't making a change to Nike
You're a fricking idiot
You should jump dick first into a running fan.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:33 am to Sarcastro
Sorry your marketing department doesn't know how to target it's audience? Some of his shite is cheesy; I'm not denying that. But, for the most part, the recruits and fans eat it up while rival teams always bring it up.
I'd say he's doing something right. His first 2 recruiting classes back that up. Now, in year 3 he's going to need to start proving it on the field. His water mark won't be an 8 win season in his first 5 years on the job. I can guarantee that.
I'd say he's doing something right. His first 2 recruiting classes back that up. Now, in year 3 he's going to need to start proving it on the field. His water mark won't be an 8 win season in his first 5 years on the job. I can guarantee that.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:33 am to Korin
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Sooner or later though, he needs to win a conference title or major bowl.
This.
Although he would've won the Orange Bowl in '07 had we not been snubbed.
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