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re: Joker Phillips Has Been Fired (Letter from AD Mitch Barnhart Enclosed)
Posted on 11/5/12 at 5:59 am to WeBleedCrimson
Posted on 11/5/12 at 5:59 am to WeBleedCrimson
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Saban to UK
we did it once, we can do it again!
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Posted on 11/5/12 at 7:00 am to Herm Edwards
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Someone with a proven track record like Tubby, Tommy Bowden, Ron Zook, or Cutcliffe would be best for Kentucky to stabilize the program.
Tuberville can probably hit 6 wins easier at Texas Tech than he could at UK. Why would he make the move?
Bowden fits the older guy currently out of a HC job but getting 8 wins at a place like Clemson may not translate to 6 wins at UK
Zook was not killing it at Illinois so how would he do better at UK?
Cutcliffe started hot but could easily finish 6-6 in the ACC Costal (you know the division without FSU and Clemson) this year. He had an enviable record for UK when he was at Ole Miss but back then Saban was at LSU and Holtz was still at USC.
The question is will UK go safe and try to build long term or go young with a much higher failure rate but more possible upside if it works.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 7:36 am to Cheese Grits
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The question is will UK go safe and try to build long term or go young with a much higher failure rate but more possible upside if it works.
Yes, that is the question.
Of all the names mentioned, I like the Fresno State coach the most from what I have read about them. He's young, only been a HC for one year (kind of a knock against him), but was a DC, and a Air Force graduate, so I expect he would bring discipline. Their 3 losses this year are to Oregon, Boise State, and Tulsa.
I think Mitch will go with an older proven HC to try to bring some stability.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 7:52 am to kywildcatfanone
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kywildcatfanone
If you are going young what do you think about :
Bob Diaco (DC at Notre Dame)
MAC incubators
Dave Doeren at Northern Illinois
Matt Campbell at Toledo (where Saban and Pinkle coached)
Darrell Hazell at Kent State (where Holtz, Saban, and Pinkle played)
Frank Solich (may be too old but former Nebraska guy has turned Ohio around)
Posted on 11/5/12 at 7:56 am to Herm Edwards
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Someone with a proven track record like Tubby, Tommy Bowden, Ron Zook, or Cutcliffe would be best for Kentucky to stabilize the program.
Thing is we've been there and done that with Bill Curry. And it was awful. If we're going to do that it's going to have to someone who has to adapt to the job and it's demands.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/5/12 at 8:09 am to BluegrassBelle
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Thing is we've been there and done that with Bill Curry
Curry did not have the proven track record! He had 1 good year in 7 at Georgia Tech and 3 years at Alabama with all that history and talent to make him look better. Man could not beat Auburn once and that should have spoken volumes about what he would look like without the Alabama aura behind him. Nice guy but questionable coach.
He beat UGA what twice in 7 tries at Tech, and one of those was close!
Posted on 11/5/12 at 8:12 am to Cheese Grits
Zook couldn't do it in the talent bed of Florida. Bowden might be one of the biggest choke artists of all time. And Cutcliffe's success this season at Duke has been against a bunny schedule.
And speaking of Cutcliffe, if we're talking long term why would we hire a guy with significant health issues?
And speaking of Cutcliffe, if we're talking long term why would we hire a guy with significant health issues?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 8:14 am to BluegrassBelle
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BluegrassBelle
I think we agree on 3 of the 4 but what do you think of TT?
FWIW : Zook to UK has all the makings of Curry : The sequel
Posted on 11/5/12 at 8:20 am to BluegrassBelle
I believe Billy Clyde is available.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 8:39 am to Cheese Grits
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Cheese Grits
I'm having to look some of these guys up, had not heard of a couple of them.
Dave Doeren - Took over a good program and has kept it there. DC at Wisconsin for 4 years. Sounds OK to me.
Matt Campbell - similar to Doeren, but no experience at a major college. I would likely pass.
Darrell Hazell - Kent State has gotten better in his tenure, deserves consideration. Coached under Tressel. Offensive guy.
Frank Solich - The Joe B. Hall of the football world, following a legend. Did well, but tailed off. Record at Ohio is 54-40 overall. The coach he replaced went 11-35. He's 68 though. Probably pass.
Bob Diaco - I like ND's defense this year, but I don't know anything more about him.
I don't think UK will hire a young coach, probably go with a caretaker type coach if I had to guess.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 8:40 am to kywildcatfanone
If we are going with a proven head coach, I would see if Tuberville would come. Either that or Fulmer with Chavis.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 9:41 am to kywildcatfanone
Well, the proven coach method worked out well with Rich Brooks. I think this is a very pivotal hire for Kentucky. You cant mess up by hiring another coordinator like Joker only to find out Mr. OC/DC cant run a program in the SEC.
Tommy Bowden went to 10 straight bowls as a head coach.
Tubby has gone to a bowl 10 out of his last 12 attempts.
Zook took Illinois to the Rose Bowl and recruited extremely well.
Maybe those arent flashy hires and maybe they dont have a high ceiling, but *someone* not necessarily those specific coaches, but coaches who are a known commodity as a head coach needs to come in stabilize Kentucky and get it back to the consistency that Rich Brooks had
Tommy Bowden went to 10 straight bowls as a head coach.
Tubby has gone to a bowl 10 out of his last 12 attempts.
Zook took Illinois to the Rose Bowl and recruited extremely well.
Maybe those arent flashy hires and maybe they dont have a high ceiling, but *someone* not necessarily those specific coaches, but coaches who are a known commodity as a head coach needs to come in stabilize Kentucky and get it back to the consistency that Rich Brooks had
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:09 am to Herm Edwards
I'm rallying for Coach Eric Taylor.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:11 am to DayBowBow
Who the hell is Joker Phillips? Phillip Philips brother or somthing?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:29 am to kywildcatfanone
Honestly, I wouldn't mind Fulmer with Zook as DC.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:31 am to Cheese Grits
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I think we agree on 3 of the 4 but what do you think of TT?
I think Tubbs would be better then what we had. It would all depend on the staff he brings in with him. I like his current OC Neal Brown.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:34 am to BluegrassBelle
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind Fulmer with Zook as DC.
The real question is whether Fulmer can still recruit to a high level. That in large part was his failing late in his UT career. Personally, I think you need someone younger and more energetic...
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:36 am to InThroughTheOutDore
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The real question is whether Fulmer can still recruit to a high level. That in large part was his failing late in his UT career. Personally, I think you need someone younger and more energetic...
I agree.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:36 am to BluegrassBelle
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And Joker will remain until the end of the season
as he should
I know UK fans don't want to hear it but I really think Cutcliffe would do wonders in the bluegrass
other than that, no way ya'll go Taggert right?
please spare me the NFL names and Chip Kelly
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:39 am to stapuffmarshy
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I know UK fans don't want to hear it but I really think Cutcliffe would do wonders in the bluegrass
The issue with Cutcliffe isn't ability. There's a reason he's at Duke. Rebuilding a program that didn't have much to build with in the first place isn't easy and I'm more concerned about his health issues.
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