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Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:30 am to DMagic
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We shut down Evans too and all JFF did was go 31-39 for 320. He didn't have a TD though so that's good.
You guys didn't keep him in the pocket, though. He ran for 124 yds and 2 TDs, in fact.
My original post made it clear that there are two conditions to the argument: (1) Keep him in the pocket and (2) have an elite cornerback (preferably two).
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:31 am to TxTiger82
Not just him we got run on by Malena too. Rob went out in the first quarter then we lost Bryant in the third. Our defense was really beat up.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:32 am to Forkbeard3777
People forget, the weather was shite for that game, too. Wet, windy, and cold. The temp does not do justice to how cold it was in south LA for that game because of the humidity and wind.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:32 am to TxTiger82
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You guys didn't keep him in the pocket, though. He ran for 124 yds and 2 TDs, in fact.
My original post made it clear that there are two conditions to the argument: (1) Keep him in the pocket and (2) have an elite cornerback (preferably two).
Define "elite cornerback" please. I just have a hard time buying the "keep him in the pocket" BS when he led all power conference QBs with passing completion % from the pocket.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:34 am to TxTiger82
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My original post made it clear that there are two conditions to the argument: (1) Keep him in the pocket and (2) have an elite cornerback (preferably two).
We spread the ball around to 5-6 receivers every game, a single or two cornerbacks didn't stop JF against Bama. The difference was really the game plan Chavis put together and JF's refusal to hit the flats.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:35 am to Farmer1906
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I like how the OP asks for reasons and when reasons are given it is "excuses".
because instead of talking about football and schemes used against him that may have been different, you want to talk about outside factors like the weather. the weather didn't prevent LSU from putting up over 500 yards of offense last year.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:37 am to Forkbeard3777
LSU did a great job of keeping Johnny uncomfortable and took advantage of him trying to do too much. Johnny forced more things in those 2 games than in any other in his career.
The '13 game was definitely affected as well by Johnny's injury and the conditions. He was missing throws he just didn't miss normally, he just wasn't controlling the ball. He got a little better against Mizzou but his arm wasn't back to full strength until the bowl game.
That doesn't take away anything from LSU though. They schemed for him perfectly and did a great job of forcing him in to bad decisions. They were his kryptonite.
The '13 game was definitely affected as well by Johnny's injury and the conditions. He was missing throws he just didn't miss normally, he just wasn't controlling the ball. He got a little better against Mizzou but his arm wasn't back to full strength until the bowl game.
That doesn't take away anything from LSU though. They schemed for him perfectly and did a great job of forcing him in to bad decisions. They were his kryptonite.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:38 am to Forkbeard3777
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Forkbeard3777
Johnny Manziel - LSU
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Extremely fast and athletic linemen.
Again, LSU fans, don't freak out ( ), but was LSU's line even good this past year?
Against A&M they were....
No, I think more than anything was Chavis preached discpline vs over-pursuit against Johnny Football. Also pressure caused some of his INTs.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:39 am to TheRookbird
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We ran the ball 55 times. It's harder to throw in the rain. Not sure what's hard to understand. We were very balanced last year, but the run game is our bread and butter.
in both of the "rain" games last year, Mettenberger was a combined 25/42 for 452 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT. Yes the running game is our bread and butter, but we did the same thing to Manziel the year prior on a hot sunny day. What is the excuse for that game?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:42 am to lsufball19
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you want to talk about outside factors like the weather. the weather didn't prevent LSU from putting up over 500 yards of offense last year.
If the LSU offense were playing against the LSU defense instead of A&M's they wouldnt have had 500 yards. You're not comparing apples to apples when you keep bringing up how well LSU's offense did. A&M coulnd't have stopped a lot of high school teams last year.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:43 am to 3andOut
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LSU had the speed and technique tackling to stop him.. Chavis had a great game plan that they executed well.
This.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:43 am to lsufball19
Some classy A&M answers in here 
. You can tell who's actually knowledgable about football by those who recognize our ability to defend the spread vs those who are just like "It was raining!!!" or "Johnny was injured!!!" coupled with "He just wasn't confident yet in 2012!"
I have a hard time believing this is just happenstance.
. You can tell who's actually knowledgable about football by those who recognize our ability to defend the spread vs those who are just like "It was raining!!!" or "Johnny was injured!!!" coupled with "He just wasn't confident yet in 2012!" I have a hard time believing this is just happenstance.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:48 am to Forkbeard3777
It still is a little puzzling to me how LSU could give up a mere 600 yards and 29 points in 2 games vs Johnny Football, but the vaunted GOAT defensive guru Saban and the mighty Taaaaahd D could give up nearly 1100 yards and almost 80 points to him and the Aggies in 2 games.
Inb4: "Well LSU softened us up before we played A&M...."
Inb4: "Well LSU softened us up before we played A&M...."
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:51 am to Farmer1906
weather is an excuse, not a reason
both teams play in the same conditions
both teams play in the same conditions
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:51 am to MMB5DAP
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Define "elite cornerback" please. I just have a hard time buying the "keep him in the pocket" BS when he led all power conference QBs with passing completion % from the pocket.
Well the examples I cited were drafted. You could include corners that will be drafted, as well.
2013 was actually a bad year for SEC corners in the draft, meaning a lot of the talent was inexperienced. This partially explains the offensive explosion last year.
LSU (2012 and 2013) and Florida (2012) are probably the two teams he faced with two elite corners. He was pretty well contained all three times.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:53 am to TxTiger82
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LSU (2012 and 2013) and Florida (2012) are probably the two teams he faced with two elite corners. He was pretty well contained all three times.
Would you consider first round draft pick Millner out of Alabama elite then? Didn't have a problem against him. Next.
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If you're trying to make the argument that Manziel isnt that good from the pocket when playing against 2 future NFL 1st round CBs, well no shite. I would argue that most college QBs would struggle facing that.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:57 am to MetryTyger
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It still is a little puzzling to me how LSU could give up a mere 600 yards and 29 points in 2 games vs Johnny Football, but the vaunted GOAT defensive guru Saban and the mighty Taaaaahd D could give up nearly 1100 yards and almost 80 points to him and the Aggies in 2 games.
Matchups/gameplans.
Bama has had LSU's number the past few years, lest we forget.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:59 am to MMB5DAP
a 6.5/7 second 25 yard touchdown. damn, manziel fricking flung that ball. Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:02 am to Klark Kent
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a 6.5/7 second 25 yard touchdown. damn, manziel fricking flung that ball.
Im not sure what your point is but simply looking at the clock shows the ball snapped at :44 and caught at :39.
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