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re: Jameis Winston's Consensual Sex Partner is holding a press conference

Posted on 12/10/13 at 5:52 pm to
Posted by michaeldwde
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 5:52 pm to
If they had any real evidence that he was guilty of anything, they would have his arse under the jail, and it wouldn't matter what kind of football player he was.

It may be jmo, but it seems to me they don't fu** around where that shite is concerned.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111540 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 5:54 pm to
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It may be jmo, but it seems to me they don't fu** around where that shite is concerned.

"They" frick around plenty. They just didn't in this case.
Posted by Maroon Flash
Florida
Member since May 2013
1527 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:12 pm to
This media circus may make some Heisman voters wish they had voted for someone else.

Just because there wasn't enough evidence to charge him doesn't mean everything was cool.
Posted by panzerfahre
Kirksville, Mo
Member since Oct 2013
1472 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:19 pm to
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I'm not big on slut shaming but at this point this is attention whoring at it's finest. The case got a second look, she couldn't get her shite straight, and now this comes off as some last bitter grasp at a 15 minutes of fame.


That will come from the civil suit.
Posted by panzerfahre
Kirksville, Mo
Member since Oct 2013
1472 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:23 pm to
Or, they could just, I don't know, keep mouse in their pocket...
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7798 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:31 pm to

Maybe she believes she didn't consent to whatever happened and therefore was raped and is angry about it?

If that's the case, it's not difficult to understand why she may may want to make it as uncomfortable as possible for Winston.

For all the stones being thrown, no one really knows that isn't the case.
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 6:38 pm
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:35 pm to
I think ,and this is just my opinion , that she feels that she was railroaded by the TPD and FSU and is gonna do what she can to embarass them. Again just my opinion
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
9955 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:38 pm to
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Maybe she believes she didn't consent to whatever happened and therefore was raped and is angry?

If that's the case it's not easy to understand why she may may want to make it as uncomfortable as possible for Winston.

For all the stones being thrown, no one really knows that isn't the case.


Agree if she truly was raped.

However, and I mean this as if she's not lying...

It seemed she doesnt even know what happened based on the reports.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

Maybe she believes she didn't consent to whatever happened and therefore was raped and is angry about it?

If that's the case, it's not difficult to understand why she may may want to make it as uncomfortable as possible for Winston.

For all the stones being thrown, no one really knows that isn't the case.


Maybe SHE raped Winston?

Maybe the shame of being a "male rape victim" prevents him from coming clean and telling us all what really happened.

Nobody knows that isn't the case. Afterall, he was drunk.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99055 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:07 pm to
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You really think this? As if this is some Kim Kardashianesque white trash grab for celebrity?


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Jeffrey Burlew ?@JeffBurlew 1h
Carroll said that following numerous requests for interviews, the family wants to make a statement, through counsel, about the investigation


Why not just say no to the interviews and if they feel like it needs to be pursued further do so through the court system? It is also being scheduled the day before the Heisman ceremony. That doesn't scream attention whoring to you?

As far as wanting to embarrass the TPD, people have lost their jobs over this already so I'm not sure what else they want to push at this point.
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 7:09 pm
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42645 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

Maybe she believes she didn't consent to whatever happened and therefore was raped and is angry about it?

If that's the case, it's not difficult to understand why she may may want to make it as uncomfortable as possible for Winston.

For all the stones being thrown, no one really knows that isn't the case.



Well said.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:21 pm to
Perhaps she's angry at the way his attorney smeared her and laughed about the incident in his press conference. Or maybe she's angry at the runaround she feels she got from TPD - by not preserving evidence and getting statements from witnesses then, her case was damaged. Or maybe she's mad that the detective encouraged her to drop it because he was a football player. Or, it could be that even though there is not enough evidence to get a conviction, she still believes she was raped and that the 2 football players who provided statements are lying out their arse to protect their QB and their perfect season.

"Not enough evidence to get a conviction" means just that. It doesn't necessarily mean she made the whole thing up.
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 7:23 pm
Posted by hondurantiger
Portland, OR
Member since Feb 2007
2175 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:29 pm to
the only reason I kind of believe her is that in her initial report she had no idea who it was.

That does not seem like somebody that wanted to "get back" at somebody.

It was not till later that she identified Winston as the suspect and DNA evidence confirmed he had the secks with her.

It is truly unfortunate and the take away for me is young ladies need to realize they are more vulnerable and expose themselves to much more when they "drink like one of the dudes".
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42645 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:37 pm to
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Perhaps she's angry at the way his attorney smeared her and laughed about the incident in his press conference. Or maybe she's angry at the runaround she feels she got from TPD - by not preserving evidence and getting statements from witnesses then, her case was damaged. Or maybe she's mad that the detective encouraged her to drop it because he was a football player. Or, it could be that even though there is not enough evidence to get a conviction, she still believes she was raped and that the 2 football players who provided statements are lying out their arse to protect their QB and their perfect season.

"Not enough evidence to get a conviction" means just that. It doesn't necessarily mean she made the whole thing up.



Jansen's press conference and subsequent interviews were alone enough to make his client look guilty. It would be an insult to sleaze to call him a sleazebag. And yes, I'd be mad as hell about it if I were her. I'd also be made as hell about it if I were Winston because he's now he's not just associated with rape but fully associated with Jansen's 'defense' and pure grade a assholery that calls all women whores who are simply out to get men and young athletes.
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 7:38 pm
Posted by mjlsu23
Member since Dec 2013
58 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:38 pm to
Interesting title to the thread about a man not charged with anything
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:55 pm to
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the only reason I kind of believe her is that in her initial report she had no idea who it was.

Yes. For that reason, I believe SHE believes she was raped.

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Jansen's press conference and subsequent interviews were alone enough to make his client look guilty. It would be an insult to sleaze to call him a sleazebag

Yeah, that attorney did his client no favors with his press conference and comments. Laughing about it, saying the only person who would think his client did anything wrong would be his (Winston's) girlfriend. Making the accuser out to be a lying slut out to make his client look bad - when she didn't even know who he was until sometime the next month. He's the kind of lawyer that gives them all bad reps.
Posted by sheeeeeit
Member since Sep 2013
1023 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 8:06 pm to
To the few idiots who believe drunk people can legally consent to sex, you are so wrong. I think the law can be silly, but LEGALLY, a drunk person cannot consent to sex. You don't have to like, or even believe it, but that doesn't stop it from being the truth.

Additionally, the only issue I have is that her blood alcohol content wasn't tested when she was "drunk" that night. You can't point to what the police report said and assume that .04 was how drunk she was, seeing as she wasn't tested until much later, when she was already sobered up.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42645 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 8:55 pm to
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Yeah, that attorney did his client no favors with his press conference and comments. Laughing about it, saying the only person who would think his client did anything wrong would be his (Winston's) girlfriend. Making the accuser out to be a lying slut out to make his client look bad - when she didn't even know who he was until sometime the next month. He's the kind of lawyer that gives them all bad reps.


I honestly don't understand how he's gotten away with acting like that. Knoxville's a pretty mild mannered place but I think the city and the campus would explode if he behaved like that.

Especially when the documents that were released reveal some very disturbing tidbits:

quote:

The documents show the state attorney tried to review surviellance video from Pot Belly's where Winston and the woman met the night of the alleged assault, but the video had been recylced months earlier.

The documents also show the state attorney tried to find the cab driver who drove Winston and his accuser from Pot Belly's to Winston's Chapel Drive apartment that night, but had no luck.

The documents also show one of Winston's friends recorded a portion of the sexual encounter on his cell phone that night, but later deleted it and discarded the phone.

Text messages retrieved from the accuser's phone the night of December 7 show a woman in clear distress.

A text to a friend at 11:49 the next morning says "I have to talk to you. I spent all night in the hospital."

A text four minutes later says "I got raped. I don't want to text about it. My parents are here."

When the friend asked how they got there so fast, the woman texted back "My dad went like 100 the whole way here at 4 in the morning."

The state attorney announced Thursday that FSU quarterback Jameis Winston would not face any criminal charges in the case and deemed it case closed.

Winston's attorney called it "a one night stand" Thursday and maintains it was a consensual encounter.


Now just how in the hell did the friend who took video know to "lose" that phone? That it was recorded and the entire phone completely discarded tells me more than enough about what happened. Nashville PD went all the way to California to investigate and recovered the images recorded on phones in the Vandy rape case. One of those charged with tampering was Vandenburg's friend in California. But TPD can't follow up for months when it was reported that night? Well unless following up means tipping off FSU and allowing Jansen to work his 'magic.'

Is Tallahassee so damned corrupt that this is how it went down?

Witness: "Yeah detective I recorded my buddy having consensual sex and so when his lawyer told me the girl said she was raped and said y'all were coming to speak with me, I knew it would prove his innocence but damned if I didn't drop it in the toilet and wind up having to throw it away a few months before you got here!"

Detective: "Well I guess that's all we can do. Thanks for reassuring us it was all consensual. I figured it was but you know we have to check these things out. I'm sorry I couldn't get out here before now. I hope Jameis isn't too mad at you for losing the phone. Oh btw, could autograph this football for me? I'm a big FSU fan."

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Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:01 pm to
Like I said, SHE believes she was raped. If she didn't, she'd never have called her parents right away like that. She thinks it was rape, and believes it was covered up because he was a football player.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54137 posts
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:06 pm to
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To the few idiots who believe drunk people can legally consent to sex, you are so wrong. I think the law can be silly, but LEGALLY, a drunk person cannot consent to sex. You don't have to like, or even believe it, but that doesn't stop it from being the truth.
Quit calling other people idiots when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
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seeing as she wasn't tested until much later
She was tested just a few hours after the alleged incident and out can easily be calculated what her bac was at the time of the incident.

I wish you people would stop commenting on this case until you read through all of the evidence that was released. Anyone with a brain and no bias would conclude the accuser's sorry was completely unreliable.
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