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re: Is Nick Saban really a great coach?
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:19 pm to AU24
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:19 pm to AU24
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But has he won them because he has recruited great players. Or because he's a great X & O
Why can't it be a combination of both? Yes he gets out coached from time to time, but so do all coaches, even great coaches. Why are people so threatened by the man that they disparage his coaching ability and say he only wins because he recruits better than everyone else?
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Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:20 pm to AU24
If you have to ask the question.
that is all.
I wish he was still at LSU.
that is all.
I wish he was still at LSU.Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:20 pm to AU24
Yes I hate the BAMA program, but he is a phenomenal coach!
Stop posting
Stop posting
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:20 pm to BowlJackson
Yeah, everybody who knows anything about Xs and Os is always talking about how average he is with it. 
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:23 pm to BowlJackson
No one mentions the Process. Motivation/drive is a HUGE part of football coaching. When a team has a coach that instills drive and heart, they can beat a team with superior talent and schemes. I've seen it a hundred times. That's why these hardnosed SOB's are drawn to football and fit the profile of most of the best coaches. Endurance, drive and mental toughness have somehow become underrated when they've always been the essence of football
When you're the best at that basic aspect - getting your guys to play hard - and you're the best at recruiting and you have guys who can scheme with the best of them, well that's when you have the greatest dynasty ever.
When you're the best at that basic aspect - getting your guys to play hard - and you're the best at recruiting and you have guys who can scheme with the best of them, well that's when you have the greatest dynasty ever.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:25 pm to AU24
Dumb
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:26 pm to Tiger79
2009 National Championship Team (13-0)
QB - Greg McElroy (7th round pick) (3-star)
RB - Mark Ingram (1st round pick, sophomore) (3-star)/Trent Richardson (1st round pick, freshman) (5-star)
FB - Brad Smelley (7th round pick) (2-star)
WR - Marquis Maze (Undrafted) (3-star)
WR - Julio Jones (1st round pick, sophomore) (5-star)
TE - Colin Peek (undrafted) (3-star transfer)
TE - Michael Williams (undrafted) (4-star)
LT - James Carpenter (1st round pick) (4-star Juco)
LG - Mike Johnson (3rd round pick) (3-star)
C - William Vlachos (undrafted) (3-star)
RG - Barrett Jones (4th round pick) (freshman) (4-star)
RT - Drew Davis (undrafted) (3-star)
DE - Brandon Deaderick (7th round pick) (3-star)
NT - Terrence Cody (2nd round pick) (3-star juco)
DE - Lorenzo Washington (undrafted) (4-star)
WLB - Cory Reamer (undrafted) (3-star)
ILB - Rolando McClain (1st round pick) (4-star)
ILB - Donta Hightower (1st round pick, sophomore) (4-star)
SLB - Eryk Anders (undrafted) (walk on)
FS - Justin Woodall (undrafted) (4-star)
SS - Mark Barron (1st round pick, sophomore) (5-star)
CB - Kareem Jackson (1st round pick) (3-star)
CB - Javier Arenas (2nd round pick) (2-star)
Good team, not exactly stacked with 5 star all stars. The 2008 team even less so.........
QB - Greg McElroy (7th round pick) (3-star)
RB - Mark Ingram (1st round pick, sophomore) (3-star)/Trent Richardson (1st round pick, freshman) (5-star)
FB - Brad Smelley (7th round pick) (2-star)
WR - Marquis Maze (Undrafted) (3-star)
WR - Julio Jones (1st round pick, sophomore) (5-star)
TE - Colin Peek (undrafted) (3-star transfer)
TE - Michael Williams (undrafted) (4-star)
LT - James Carpenter (1st round pick) (4-star Juco)
LG - Mike Johnson (3rd round pick) (3-star)
C - William Vlachos (undrafted) (3-star)
RG - Barrett Jones (4th round pick) (freshman) (4-star)
RT - Drew Davis (undrafted) (3-star)
DE - Brandon Deaderick (7th round pick) (3-star)
NT - Terrence Cody (2nd round pick) (3-star juco)
DE - Lorenzo Washington (undrafted) (4-star)
WLB - Cory Reamer (undrafted) (3-star)
ILB - Rolando McClain (1st round pick) (4-star)
ILB - Donta Hightower (1st round pick, sophomore) (4-star)
SLB - Eryk Anders (undrafted) (walk on)
FS - Justin Woodall (undrafted) (4-star)
SS - Mark Barron (1st round pick, sophomore) (5-star)
CB - Kareem Jackson (1st round pick) (3-star)
CB - Javier Arenas (2nd round pick) (2-star)
Good team, not exactly stacked with 5 star all stars. The 2008 team even less so.........
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:27 pm to AU24
Recruiting, establishing gameday routines, developing talent, hiring the coaches that are best for the job and many other things are just as if not more important than the Xs and Os. Even if we were to assume that he's a mediocre Xs and Os coach he's clearly demonstrated that he's the best at everything else.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think 2009 will forever be my favorite team. So many great personalities and memorable players and they went undefeated through sheer will (see UT and Auburn). Plus it was our first Natty since I was 6, so yeah
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:32 pm to AU24
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What does the rant think?
High probability that The Rant thinks you're a doofus.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:32 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
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Evidence?
Average at Michigan State. Bad in the NFL. Other than 2003 and an upset in the SECCG in 01 he was average at LSU. In 2007 he sucked at Bama, then he got his first #1 recruiting class all thanks to the media hype from when he was hired
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:34 pm to BowlJackson
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Other than 2003 and an upset in the SECCG in 01 he was average at LSU.
Yea, just throw out the random national championship and the 10-3 SECCG winning, Sugar Bowl winning season (40% of his tenure there). They don't count.
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In 2007 he sucked at Bama, then he got his first #1 recruiting class all thanks to the media hype from when he was hired
Yep, all you need is hype to land one of the 2-3 best recruiting classes of the last 30 years. He then went 12-2 with all those guys as true freshmen and 13-0 with a national title with all of them as sophomores with the bulk of the team being old Shula guys who were 3-star talents half of which didn't get drafted. What a hack.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:35 pm to BowlJackson
Wow. C'mon man. You can argue about whether or not he is great at certain aspects of coaching, but look at the overall results. Yes Saban is a great coach.
Top 3 in the SEC in the last 50 years, and arguably #1.
Top 3 in the SEC in the last 50 years, and arguably #1.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:36 pm to AU24
The only thing that makes a great coach is producing wins and championships.
Who cares if some coach is an Xs and Os genius if his team loses.
Xs and Os are just one of the many, many factors that go into being a great coach.
Wins and championships are the ultimate goal. If you produce those, you're a great coach.
Who cares if some coach is an Xs and Os genius if his team loses.
Xs and Os are just one of the many, many factors that go into being a great coach.
Wins and championships are the ultimate goal. If you produce those, you're a great coach.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:37 pm to AU24
Yes.
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Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:38 pm to BowlJackson
quote:False. He turned them around from a dumpster fire, which is why LSU snatched him up.
Average at Michigan State
quote:False. He improved the Dolphins in year one, slid a little in year two but may have had his foot out the door. See Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick's first two NFL seasons for reference.
Bad in the NFL.
quote:False. He turned around LSU from mediocrity to win SEC titles and Natties, and raised their expectations permanently. He literally made LSU an elite program.
Other than 2003 and an upset in the SECCG in 01 he was average at LSU.
quote:Most coaches suck in a first rebuilding year implementing their system. Bear Bryant lost his first years at A&M (winless) and Bama (only losing season). Lou Holtz went winless his first season with SCar then had back-to-back 8-4 seasons. There are tons of examples. That's the norm for a rebuilding coach.
In 2007 he sucked at Bama,
quote:Shula was a decent recruiter and had top 5 classes.
then he got his first #1 recruiting class all thanks to the media hype from when he was hired
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:39 pm to AU24
Auburn has been in the top 10 recruiting like every year recently, and you suck arse
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:40 pm to AU24
His coaching ability is inversely proportional to the quality of your posts.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:41 pm to AU24
According to LSU fans he is the greatest X's and O's coach of all time, simply because his players are bust once they leave his system and join the NFL.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:47 pm to stat19
How many coaches have won big without great players?
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