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re: Is it SEC Championship or Bust for LSU in 2016
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:14 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:14 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:First time anyone's called Mett a great QB. Great arm and good PP with enough protection. Better than JR.
Miles has only had great QB play in 2012 and 2013 and couldn't get it done.
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:37 pm to RB10
quote:My definition of consistently was going back to the original title of the post as I stated, which was winning the SEC. Richt won the east consistently for a while, Spurrier won the SEC consistently for a while, just to give you and example.
There's a reason I responded to you when you said he doesn't win "consistently". It's because that statement is nonsense.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:40 pm to MontyFranklyn
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My definition of consistently was going back to the original title of the post as I state, which was winning the SEC. Richt won the SEC consistently for a while, Spurrier won the SEC consistently for a while, just to give you and example.
Richt won it twice. Les Miles has won it twice. Same number of years.
Also, Richt had pretty consistent QB play throughout his time at UGA and Spurrier had outstanding QB play when he was winning the conference. Are you trying to look better or worse? You're achieving the latter.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:44 pm to RB10
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Richt won it twice. Les Miles has won it twice. Same number of years
and one got fired b/c of it.
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Richt had pretty consistent QB play throughout his time at UGA and Spurrier had outstanding QB play
The fact that they did is to their recruiting and coaching credit. The fact that Les hasn't had a measure of quality QB play also speaks to his recruiting and coaching (or, at least to his asst coach hiring/meddling in that area).
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:48 pm to bamasgot13
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The fact that they did is to their recruiting and coaching credit. The fact that Les hasn't had a measure of quality QB play also speaks to his recruiting and coaching (or, at least to his asst coach hiring/meddling in that area).
This entire conversation started because a comment was made about Miles not winning consistently with sub-par QB play.
If you're going to jump in the middle of the conversation at least be caught up.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:51 pm to RB10
quote:Using Richt was a poor example, that is why I changed it to the east. He won the east consistently for a while. Spurrier is a great example though, but he did have great qb play. My point remains valid though, Miles hasn't won the SEC consistently, mainly due to Saban.
Richt won it twice. Les Miles has won it twice. Same number of years.
Also, Richt had pretty consistent QB play throughout his time at UGA and Spurrier had outstanding QB play when he was winning the conference. Are you trying to look better or worse? You're achieving the latter.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:52 pm to RB10
quote:The point was Miles not winning the SEC consistently with sub-par QB play and my point is that he isn't likely going to do it this year either.
This entire conversation started because a comment was made about Miles not winning consistently with sub-par QB play.
If you're going to jump in the middle of the conversation at least be caught up.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:52 pm to Choctaw
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If LSU goes 11-1
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:53 pm to RB10
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This entire conversation started because a comment was made about Miles not winning consistently with sub-par QB play.
You're missing my point (not unusual, as you seemingly always get defensive at my posts directed towards LSU). My point was that Miles could have achieved MORE if he had managed to either A) recruit better players at the position, B) had better coaches at the position, C) gotten out of the way of the coaches he's hired to coach the position, or D) all of the above.
My point is that Miles belongs in same category as Richt - an underachiever based on where he is and what hes done. Doesn't mean that both aren't very good coaches. They are. I'm just saying both should have done more, but for different reasons.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:56 pm to Hair of the Dog
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First time anyone's called Mett a great QB. Great arm and good PP with enough protection. Better than JR.
It's also the only time 2600 yards and 12 TDs has ever been called great QB play. The SECr is a funny place. Quick timeline of September 2015-Present:
September 2015: "Les cannot develop QBs. I mean, just look at all the poor play."
January 2016: "Man, LSU fans sure are crazy for firing a coach with 3 division, 2 conference and 1 national title all while averaging 10 wins per season."
Present: "Miles can't win with anything other than great QB play."
You can't overstate the mental gymnastics being achieved here.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:57 pm to RB10
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It's also the only time 2600 yards and 12 TDs has ever been called great QB play. The SECr is a funny place. Quick timeline of September 2015-Present:
September 2015: "Les cannot develop QBs. I mean, just look at all the poor play."
January 2016: "Man, LSU fans sure are crazy for firing a coach with 3 division, 2 conference and 1 national title all while averaging 10 wins per season."
Present: "Miles can't win with anything other than great QB play."
You can't overstate the mental gymnastics being achieved here.
tFear is palpable.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:58 pm to bamasgot13
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You're missing my point (not unusual, as you seemingly always get defensive at my posts directed towards LSU). My point was that Miles could have achieved MORE if he had managed to either A) recruit better players at the position, B) had better coaches at the position, C) gotten out of the way of the coaches he's hired to coach the position, or D) all of the above.
My point is that Miles belongs in same category as Richt - an underachiever based on where he is and what hes done. Doesn't mean that both aren't very good coaches. They are. I'm just saying both should have done more, but for different reasons.
I'm not missing anything. You're having a different conversation. I don't care about SEC titles or recruiting. I'm pointing out one thing, and one thing only:
Saying Les Miles doesn't win consistently with sub-par QB play is wrong. Plain and simple.
If you don't want to discuss that, don't reply to me.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 2:59 pm to RB10
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September 2015: "Les cannot develop QBs. I mean, just look at all the poor play."
Is that an inaccurate statement?
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January 2016: "Man, LSU fans sure are crazy for firing a coach with 3 division, 2 conference and 1 national title all while averaging 10 wins per season."
While there is some truth to this opinion (especially if you don't KNOW you're going to make an upgrade), I think you know most people said that b/c they wanted Les to stay and feared what LSU could be if you actually DID get an upgrade.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:00 pm to RB10
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Saying Les Miles doesn't win consistently with sub-par QB play is wrong. Plain and simple.
the goalposts were moved when they conveniently decided that not winning the SEC title every year means the same as winning, in general.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:01 pm to bamasgot13
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Is that an inaccurate statement?
Dude, I'm fricking saying he wins without good QB play......
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While there is some truth to this opinion (especially if you don't KNOW you're going to make an upgrade), I think you know most people said that b/c they wanted Les to stay and feared what LSU could be if you actually DID get an upgrade.
My point, which you're missing by miles, is that he WINS WITHOUT GOOD QB PLAY. That argument proves it.
Keep up or move on. Seriously.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:01 pm to bamasgot13
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I think you know most people said that b/c they wanted Les to stay and feared what LSU could be if you actually DID get an upgrade.
this is really dumb. No one on the SECr was attempting to reverse jinx LSU. That is asinine. If anything, there is just a difference in opinion. Some think Les is underrated and some think he is overrated.
Occums razor.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:02 pm to RB10
quote:It is rather easy to understand. All of these things are true. Despite Les not being able to develop a QB and not win the conference consistently, he still delivers an average of 10 wins per season. Firing a guy because he can't beat Saban is kind of stupid, don't you think?
It's also the only time 2600 yards and 12 TDs has ever been called great QB play. The SECr is a funny place. Quick timeline of September 2015-Present:
September 2015: "Les cannot develop QBs. I mean, just look at all the poor play."
January 2016: "Man, LSU fans sure are crazy for firing a coach with 3 division, 2 conference and 1 national title all while averaging 10 wins per season."
Present: "Miles can't win with anything other than great QB play."
You can't overstate the mental gymnastics being achieved here.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:03 pm to cas4t
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the goalposts were moved when they conveniently decided that not winning the SEC title every year means the same as winning, in general.
I never even responded to the OP. I responded to the idiotic comment that he can't win without good QB play.
If they can name one coach who's done what Miles has, in the last 25 years, without good QB play, other than Saban, I'll digress. The thing is, they can't.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 3:04 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Firing a guy because he can't beat Saban is kind of stupid, don't you think?
If you think folks would have legitimately called for his head with LSU going 11-1, with the only loss being to Bama, then idk if there's any help for you.
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