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re: Is it LSU's turn on the rotation to win the BCSCG?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So did you completely miss the point or were you just willfully ignoring it?
I was contrasting your point with the bigger picture - recruiting rankings are just one piece of a large puzzle, and stadium atmosphere and size of fanbase are just a couple factors that goes into that one piece of the puzzle.
Petrino recruits high quality talent, develops that talent, and places that talent in the right position to succeed on the field. Arkansas might not get top 10 recruiting classes year in and out like LSU, but come the last Thursday in November or any given day in the SEC, you can throw the recruiting rankings out the window. Whichever coach has his team more prepared and whichever coach has the better game plan will win more times than not.
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Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:47 am to SugarHog
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Now given that we obviously know Saban isn't going to win it every year, isn't it fair to state that Arkansas has a pretty good chance at winning one?
LOL, you are really good at throwing a lot of hypotheticals out there. I think you cited Arky's biggest hurdle...and that is TALENT. Until Arky/Petrino can prove otherwise, I say no. Because there are 3 other teams in this division alone that can and have been where Arky hasn't and Arky has to play all of them every year. They have the fertile recruiting grounds and the, "We have been there" salesmanship.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:47 am to SugarHog
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Petrino > every coach in the SEC not named Saban
No he isn't
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Now given that we obviously know Saban isn't going to win it every year, isn't it fair to state that Arkansas has a pretty good chance at winning one?
Not when Petrino can't beat Saban
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So Petrino is the 2nd best coach in the SEC despite never winning so much as an SEC West title? Are you drunk, stoned or just stupid?
He's been in the league three fricking years and inherited a team that had about 4 SEC caliber players on it when he arrived in town, not to mention the program was in complete turmoil. He then had to play the likes of a loaded Bama,LSU, and a paid for Aub program.
Not winning the SECW in those three years hardly means he's not one of the best coaches in the conference. Saban didn't win it last year yet you call him the best coach in the league.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:49 am to HogKing111
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I was contrasting your point with the bigger picture - recruiting rankings are just one piece of a large puzzle, and stadium atmosphere and size of fanbase are just a couple factors that goes into that one piece of the puzzle.
Sure, in any one game anything can happen, but when was the last time Arkansas finished ranked ahead of LSU? Top ranked recruiting classes matter and without them Arkansas will always be on the outside looking in.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:51 am to SugarHog
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Petrino > every coach in the SEC not named Saban, how's that.
That would be incorrect. He hasn't proved shite at Arky. He has no hardware, none. There are exactly 3 other coaches who have hardware he doesn't in the western division ALONE.
He can't hold Saban's, Miles', or <gulp> Chizik's jocks until he proves he can take home the hardware. How's that?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:51 am to SugarHog
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He's been in the league three fricking years and inherited a team that had about 4 SEC caliber players on it when he arrived in town, not to mention the program was in complete turmoil. He then had to play the likes of a loaded Bama,LSU, and a paid for Aub program.
Not winning the SECW in those three years hardly means he's not one of the best coaches in the conference. Saban didn't win it last year yet you call him the best coach in the league.
Sure he's done a good job at Arkansas so far but that doesn't make him the 2nd best coach in the SEC.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:52 am to SugarHog
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Petrino > every coach in the SEC not named Saban
Come on now, I thought you wanted to have a serious discussionPosted on 3/1/11 at 12:53 am to SugarHog
I liken Petrino to Spurrier. Great football coach who successfully landed a job at a school where coach's careers go to die.
It's not Petrino holding Arky back, it's Arky that is holding Petrino back.
It's not Petrino holding Arky back, it's Arky that is holding Petrino back.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:54 am to ibldprplgld
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I liken Petrino to Spurrier. Great football coach who successfully landed a job at a school where coach's careers go to die.
No. Arkansas may not be USC but they aren't bad. They are a nice little program.
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It's not Petrino holding Arky back, it's Arky that is holding Petrino back.
Truth
This post was edited on 3/1/11 at 12:56 am
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:55 am to ibldprplgld
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It's not Petrino holding Arky back, it's Arky that is holding Petrino back.
2008 - 5 wins
2009 - 8 wins
2010 - 10 wins
Do I need to plot this on a graph so you can better see which direction Petrino and Arkansas are going?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:55 am to ibldprplgld
Until Petrino learns how to coach a defense (or at least hire someone who can), there are 3 other coaches I would take before him in the SEC West alone.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:57 am to HogKing111
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Do I need to plot this on a graph so you can better see which direction Petrino and Arkansas are going?
He's about reached his plateau. I think he could win an NC in an easier conference or a bigger SEC school, but not Arky.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:59 am to HogKing111
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Do I need to plot this on a graph so you can better see which direction Petrino and Arkansas are going?
Have you ever heard of regression to the mean? Petrino will realize Arky will plateau at a lower level than he is willing to tolerate. 2010 was an aberration, an "outlier" since you seem interested in graphing.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:01 am to HogKing111
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2006 - 10 wins
2007 - 8 wins
2008 - 5 wins
2009 - 8 wins
2010 - 10 wins
quote:8 wins in 2011, followed by 5 in 2012
Do I need to plot this on a graph so you can better see which direction Petrino and Arkansas are going?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:03 am to ibldprplgld
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Have you ever heard of regression to the mean?
I think you need to teach your head coach how to work a stopwatch before lecturing Arky's on statistics.
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Petrino will realize Arky will plateau at a lower level than he is willing to tolerate.
He's lived here 3 years and just signed an $18 million buyout. He knows what he has and where this program is headed.
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2010 was an aberration, an "outlier" since you seem interested in graphing.
Right now, yes. In 8 years - It will be seen as just one of Petrino's many great seasons at Arkansas.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:04 am to HogKing111
This smells a lot like Charlie Weis and Notre Dame
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:06 am to NaturalBeam
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This smells a lot like Charlie Weis and Notre Dame
Hardly comparable. Miles is more like Nutt than Petrino is like Weis.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:07 am to HogKing111
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I think you need to teach your head coach how to work a stopwatch before lecturing Arky's on statistics.
Where was I lecturing Petrino?
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He's lived here 3 years and just signed an $18 million buyout. He knows what he has and where this program is headed.
Or he realized signing that contract was a good idea because it was guaranteed income with damages (maybe) in his favor if Arky fires him for being a perennial 8-10 wins/year coach?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:07 am to HogKing111
Hope you're right for your sake 
But only 1 of those names has a ring, and it ain't Petrino
But only 1 of those names has a ring, and it ain't Petrino
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