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Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:53 am to UAtide11
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For real though. If you run a gimmick offense, expect a gimmick defense
You realize HUNH isn't an offense? It's a tempo. Alabama runs HUNH.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:54 am to Swm323
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I don't mind it even if they are faking.
You'd mind if it was against your team
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:54 am to VFL1800FPD
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Every time we put together a decent drive, it was stopped by the cramps
Both times? You sure about that?
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:55 am to Phat Phil
Is an offense that only works based on tempo for bitches?
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:55 am to Cooter Davenport
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I lived right by Clinch Mountain for a while.
Sweet. I have family up there. I love it. I like seeing the leaves there in the fall better than dealing with the tourists in Gatlinburg. Go on up to Daniel Boone State Park (think it's a national state park now) in Kentucky or on in to Virginia and hike when you need a nice way to escape into nature and avoid the traffic. Did you ever go up to the Pinnacle?
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:56 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Jesse Palmer noted that it was that extreme differential in temperature and humidity between Boone and Knoxville.
Jesse also saw the invisible "clap penalty" that wasn't recorded even with all those cameras pointing at the field.
The real problem for UT is that Ap St did NOT play a good game and did not have a good game of sideline calls. Ap St mostly looked ineffective and under powered by ANY power division standard. Had Ap St really played a great game or really been coached well THEY WIN THE GAME. It is really that obvious.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:56 am to Nado Jenkins83
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I don't see a difference between that and playing HUNH all game because you can't man up
one of the best truly boom comments i've seen in a while.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:57 am to VFL1800FPD
I'd be more concerned with the bigger picture of my team being a poorly coached football team that nearly lost to and should've lost to a Sunbelt team than I would App State's cramps - whether fake or not.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:00 pm to AshLSU
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Both times? You sure about that?
Yes, watch the game. Not saying we did much on O, but when we did, it was halted
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:00 pm to AshLSU
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Both times? You sure about that?
Yes, watch the game. Not saying we did much on O, but when we did, it was halted
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:00 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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I'd be more concerned with the bigger picture of my team being a poorly coached football team that nearly lost to and should've lost to a Sunbelt team than I would App State's cramps - whether fake or not.
We're leaving that to tRant. Y'all are doing a great job of it.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:00 pm to Grim
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Someone should fark the little miniature nick saban kicking him in the leg then dancing away
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:03 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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I'd be more concerned with the bigger picture of my team being a poorly coached football team that nearly lost to and should've lost to a Sunbelt team than I would App State's cramps - whether fake or not.
I have plenty of concerns, but we won, and I am allowed to talk about the cramps. So you can eat a dick
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:03 pm to Phat Phil
The fact that App State managed to trigger the Vols has made my day
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:04 pm to Prof
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Sweet. I have family up there. I love it. I like seeing the leaves there in the fall better than dealing with the tourists in Gatlinburg. Go on up to Daniel Boone State Park (think it's a national state park now) in Kentucky or on in to Virginia and hike when you need a nice way to escape into nature and avoid the traffic. Did you ever go up to the Pinnacle?
Best people I have ever lived around.
I lived in Gate City overlooking Moccasin Gap.
Never went up The Pinnacle, which I should have because it was close, but I would run 58 out to Jonesville and back all the time and there are a few turnouts with stunning views of the valley below and the ridge opposite, which in fall with the leaves changing will take your breath away.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:04 pm to Prof
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We're leaving that to tRant. Y'all are doing a great job of it.
Funny that no one seems to notice that the cramps only came to their defensive players. Shouldn't we have seen some on the O side?
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:04 pm to Phat Phil
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It's the most effective scheme against fast paced HUNH attack. I understand when a player or two go down, it might be a coincidence. But when 6~7 players go down in multiple series to slow the game down, that's a legit cramp defense.
You really aren't better than this
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:20 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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I don't see a difference between that and playing HUNH all game because you can't man up
I think out of the two the HUNH is much better for the game of football.
Not only does it introduce parity among teams (aka more people have a reason to care about the sport), but it uses the rules of the game within the game to win (just speeded up). The only people who feel cheated when they lose to a HUNH team are the over talented bluebloods who feel it is their right to dominate the sport (even to the detriment of the sport) because of their talent.
Meanwhile a cramp defense hurts the whole sport because it damages the legitimacy of results in the eyes of most fans. They see it as cheating, especially when their less talented team (let's be honest most teams in the sport don't have a chance talent-wise without tricks like HUNH) loses its opportunity to even the stakes when injuries are faked by the talented team.
Both sides abuse some part of the rulebook, it comes down to what is being abused to get there.
HUNH abuses the fact that the offense has control over when the ball is snapped, which is a power the offense always had. In that way it is existing within the rules of the game, it was just an advantage never really utilized till now.
Cramp Defense abuses the fact that we are extra careful about people being hurt in football, sometimes for liability reasons. Technically a defense could have always faked injuries, but that isn't football it's theater. This isn't professional wrestling or soccer, football fans don't have sympathy for theatrics (which is why touchdown celebrations are extinct).
It is the difference between someone not reporting the sales tax on their online orders vs someone hiding their money away in the Caymen Islands. Both are tax cheats, but only the elites have access to offshore accounts and so there is less sympathy for that sort of cheating. There might be some people that get pissed that online sales tax isn't reported, but again it's mostly just the elites who own local retail stores who have to compete pricewise with taxless online offerings (and who might have their own offshore account).
There is no real way to stop one kind of cheating vs another so the HUNH is probably dead as a concept, but with its death also dies a chance for the sport to be more popular and for the results to be considered more legitimate and less manufactured.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 12:24 pm to Phat Phil
It's no more cowardly than HUNH itself.
Much like HUNH, the cramp defense takes advantage of there being nothing in the rule book to prevent it, though it runs contrary to the spirit of the game.
If the rules don't prevent it, I guess it's okay by the football gods... deal with it.
Much like HUNH, the cramp defense takes advantage of there being nothing in the rule book to prevent it, though it runs contrary to the spirit of the game.
If the rules don't prevent it, I guess it's okay by the football gods... deal with it.
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