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re: If we had a college football playoff, would that diminish a game like LSU/Bama?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:13 pm to GoldenTiger85
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:13 pm to GoldenTiger85
quote:Horrible reason.
Every sport has some time of playoff
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Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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If we had a college football playoff, would that diminish a game like LSU/Bama?
I disagree completely...
8 team playoff and that game still has the same importance/magnitude
2 SEC teams are not guaranteed in an 8 team playoff (although highly likely), and the winner of LSU/Bama/the west might get in with the other sec team being a 1 loss east champion.
Bottom line is that the Bama/LSU game is still a must win and neither team can just assume that game wouldn't matter and the loser would still get in.
No way does the regular season lose any luster with an 8 team playoff....
It damn sure does lose its luster once you start letting in conference runner-ups, which you infer could happen. If you can't win your conference, you damn sure don't have any business playing for a national championship. You're not good enough to win the SEC, but you should be in the BCSCG? Hell no.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:20 pm to AlxTgr
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If we had a college football playoff, would that diminish a game like LSU/Bama?
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Every sport has some time of playoff
Horrible reason.
Every pro sport allows inferior teams (wild cards) into the playoffs and gives them a second chance at winning the championship when they should have already been eliminated...primarily for the sake of increased revenue. Do that with the college game? No. Hell no.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:26 pm to BamaGradinTn
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It damn sure does lose its luster once you start letting in conference runner-ups, which you infer could happen. If you can't win your conference, you damn sure don't have any business playing for a national championship. You're not good enough to win the SEC, but you should be in the BCSCG?
So lets say LSU's only loss is at Bama (one point loss on a controversial referee call). Let's say the only other one loss teams are Oregon (Pac 10 champ) and West Virginia (Big East champ). Should LSU play Bama in the BCSNC game even though they didn't win their conference?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:27 pm to Swoopin
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Read what I said, and don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying why the regular season in CFB is better, not why it's better as a sport. The sense of urgency each and every team has to have for 12 straight weeks is not rivaled in any other sport.
Agree completely. With the present system, college football is more popular than ever, more exciting than ever. Each game holds the promise of influencing the entire season. I much prefer a system that rewards a team for season long excellence as opposed to one that takes a 10-6 team and crowns it champion on the basis of 4 weeks.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:30 pm to Ric Flair
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So lets say LSU's only loss is at Bama (one point loss on a controversial referee call). Let's say the only other one loss teams are Oregon (Pac 10 champ) and West Virginia (Big East champ). Should LSU play Bama in the BCSNC game even though they didn't win their conference?
Not to mention Bama already proved themselves against LSU. If there's a rematch, that first game was meaningless in the end.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 1:38 pm to GoldenTiger85
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First of all, I want a playoff NOW.
To answer the OP's question, no. To get the highest seed in FCS-style playoffs, you need to win, simple as that. Some games are just harder to win, and the players gain more confidence from beating the best teams, rather than cupcaking.
Remember, in FCS-style playoffs, the higher-seeded team hosts at it's stadium, up until the championship game. The championship game in FCS is always played at a neutral site.
With FCS-style playoffs, not only do you get to see the scheduled opponents, but you would get to see post-season matchups you might otherwise only dream of: LSU vs Boise State at Tiger Stadium. Oregon vs Alabama at BDS. Wisconsin vs Florida at Camp Randall.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:48 pm to GoldenTiger85
I think we could have a playoff that would keep the regular season important, enhance the bowl system, generate more money and promote the game.
Have a twelve team playoff schedule. The top four teams are automatically placed in one of the “Traditional Big Four NYD Bowls.” Keep historic ties where possible (i.e. SEC top team to Sugar if in the top 4).Two weeks after the conference championship, games 5-8 would host 9-12 at their home stadium. This would insure a sellout crowd without effecting future travel cost as much. Make these games as regional as possible without inter conference matchups or rematches if possible say VT plays #2 SEC.
The winners of these four games go on to face 1-4 in the NYD bowl and the losers go to the next highest bowls (i.e. Outback, Citrus, Cotton and Peach.)
Allow cities to bid on the semifinal games (not including the site of the big four) that would be played two weeks after NYD. This would let fans in cities that don’t normal see big-time post season football to attend games (i.e. Dallas, San Francisco, Chicago, NYC etc.) Then play the BCSCG game on a four year rotation of the Four NYD sites on the Saturday before the Super bowl.
This would still make the regular season valid because you would have a huge advantage being 1-4 and 5-8 has an advantage over 9-12 due to home field advantage. It would return the four big NYD bowls to NC level importance and get more fans interested in college football. You would play six more games than are played today and boost rating on the current bowls. All of this increases revenue.
Have a twelve team playoff schedule. The top four teams are automatically placed in one of the “Traditional Big Four NYD Bowls.” Keep historic ties where possible (i.e. SEC top team to Sugar if in the top 4).Two weeks after the conference championship, games 5-8 would host 9-12 at their home stadium. This would insure a sellout crowd without effecting future travel cost as much. Make these games as regional as possible without inter conference matchups or rematches if possible say VT plays #2 SEC.
The winners of these four games go on to face 1-4 in the NYD bowl and the losers go to the next highest bowls (i.e. Outback, Citrus, Cotton and Peach.)
Allow cities to bid on the semifinal games (not including the site of the big four) that would be played two weeks after NYD. This would let fans in cities that don’t normal see big-time post season football to attend games (i.e. Dallas, San Francisco, Chicago, NYC etc.) Then play the BCSCG game on a four year rotation of the Four NYD sites on the Saturday before the Super bowl.
This would still make the regular season valid because you would have a huge advantage being 1-4 and 5-8 has an advantage over 9-12 due to home field advantage. It would return the four big NYD bowls to NC level importance and get more fans interested in college football. You would play six more games than are played today and boost rating on the current bowls. All of this increases revenue.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:49 pm to CowDawg
12 teams don't deserve a shot at the national title.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:51 pm to stapuffmarshy
it would depend how on many at large spots there were
if it was an 8 team playoff with 6 auto bids and two wildcards then it probably wouldn't hurt rivalry games very much, if at all.
if it was an 8 team playoff with 6 auto bids and two wildcards then it probably wouldn't hurt rivalry games very much, if at all.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:52 pm to GoldenTiger85
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But I started thinking today that if we had a playoff it might diminish a big game like LSU/Bama.
Hmm.
I wonder if anyone has ever thought of this before.
Like perhaps everyone who has ever argued against a playoff.
Hmm...
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:56 pm to GoldenTiger85
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But I started thinking today that if we had a playoff it might diminish a big game like LSU/Bama.
Okay, I'll give you a more serious response.
When Florida and Florida State met in a rematch for the national title (which Florida won), did that diminish their regular season game (which FSU won)?
Weren't both games between FSU and UF really big games that year (as far as those schools viewed it)?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:58 pm to BrerTiger
Absolutely a Play-off would diminish regular season games. In college football the regular season IS sudden death play-off football.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:59 pm to GoldenTiger85
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But I started thinking today that if we had a playoff it might diminish a big game like LSU/Bama.
I'm in favor of a limited playoff - but of course the larger the playoff the more a premiere game like LSU/Bama would be diminished in the regular season
Yes, of course it would still be a game of interest but the consequences of the loss would be less (and yes by definition this means the game is less meaningful and less of a must watch event for the less hardcore fans)
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:00 pm to ketchupmoney
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In college football the regular season IS sudden death play-off football.
Then why wouldn't LSU die in 2007?
We are the friggin' zombies of college football.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:02 pm to molsusports
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I'm in favor of a limited playoff - but of course the larger the playoff the more a premiere game like LSU/Bama would be diminished in the regular season
This.
A small playoff (4 to 8 teams max) doesn't do much at all to diminish the regular season. And it would be huge for the fans -- just imagine the TV ratings for a 8 team playoff where unlike today's BCS each team would have a real shot at the national title. A team like Boise State would get their Cinderella shot at the title, but only if they ran the table during the regular season.
A really big playoff like college baseball or college basketball has renders the regular season to little more than what the NBA has.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:05 pm to GoldenTiger85
Down with playoffs and "super" conferences. You dumbasses will be the end of our great sport.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:38 pm to BrerTiger
I agree a playoff would be huge for ratings. Like it or not the bowls are a big business and most likely would have to be used in the playoff scenario. The super conference moves, everything about change is all to drive revenue. If you don’t increase revenue greatly, none of the people making the decisions will go for it.
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A small playoff (4 to 8 teams max) doesn't do much at all to diminish the regular season.
I like a bye system to reward the top teams and keep the importance of the regular season. Either a six team with top two teams getting a bye or twelve with four getting a bye.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:39 pm to CowDawg
I'm in favor of 4 teams.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:40 pm to stapuffmarshy
If there is a play off then everyone would be out for themselves, we would create a toxic environment like the big 12 and the people that benefit directly from a play off system would be Texas.
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