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I know there are a lot of people who don't buy into "stars"
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:39 am
But the three main sites; rivals, scout, and ESPN do a great job evaluating talent these days.
Yes I believe there are still some favorites, i.e the famous Rivals Bama Bump, but overall I think there are more guys that know just enough about football to be a decent judge of talent.
This along with the many different camps that allow people to see a kid has made for a much more accurate star system in my opinion.
I can remember the wonderful days of Forest Davis who I think had his own kid as a 3 star eventhough he didn't even start on his high school football team.
Yes I believe there are still some favorites, i.e the famous Rivals Bama Bump, but overall I think there are more guys that know just enough about football to be a decent judge of talent.
This along with the many different camps that allow people to see a kid has made for a much more accurate star system in my opinion.
I can remember the wonderful days of Forest Davis who I think had his own kid as a 3 star eventhough he didn't even start on his high school football team.
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Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:41 am to deaux68
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rivals, scout, and ESPN
One of these things does not belong IMO
FWIW, anyone who doesn't buy into stars is a moron
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:41 am to deaux68
quote:Post lost all credibility at that point
rivals, scout, and ESPN do a great job evaluating talent these days.
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Anchors away....
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:41 am to deaux68
ESPN is garbage at recruiting
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:46 am to deaux68
Fans of teams that are sucking do that all the time. I know there are a lot of Vols fans who have been saying stars don't matter over the last few years. They say some crap about getting 'high character players who bleed orange' or something to that affect. I wish rivals started in the early 90's so I could compare the star ratings on the rosters from the time we were actually good until now.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:48 am to colston12
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FWIW, anyone who doesn't buy into stars is a moron
count me as a moron then or a semi-moron. i only buy into stars on a marginal basis. anywhere from 3-5 stars is, in the vast majority of cases, major college material. these guys possess the measurables to be a good or great college player. i contend one cannot predict future performance on a different level of any one player in that 3-5 star range. i would, however, rather sign 25 5 stars as opposed to 25 3 stars. your chances of having more players performing at a higher level are better. ergo, i'm semi.
i'm editing to say i think there's a lot of "herd mentality" involved in player ratings. if one service has 'em a 5 star, the others follow suit (at least with a very hi rating). i also think the coaches are much better at evaluating talent than the services.
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:49 am to colston12
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FWIW, anyone who doesn't buy into stars is a moron
You just called 90% of the coaching staffs morons then...
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:51 am to MagillaGuerilla
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You just called 90% of the coaching staffs morons then..
if coaching staffs didn't buy into kids with high star rankings, they'd never stock their cupboard with talent
look at the teams at the top of the star game, and look at how they've performed over the past 5 years
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:52 am to MagillaGuerilla
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You just called 90% of the coaching staffs morons then...
Well said. Recruiting is a crapshoot. Intangibles often play a big role, good or bad, in whether a recruit is a sleeper or a bust.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:56 am to deaux68
To me NSD consists of 2 goals for a lot of schools.
1) Sign the best players for your team.
2) Get as much press as you can.
I'm happy with the job Les does at LSU because he goes after the best players who fit into his team. He focuses heavily on character and chemistry along with skill. I've never seen him court the media which plays to LSU's favor most of the time. With the hits our program took losing Ryan Perriloux, Co-DC failure, no QB, Crowton failures the players and coaches exhibited great cohesiveness and commitment which delivered a nice 11-2 season. With the recent additions of recruits and new a new OC we are positioned for a nice run in 2011.
So no, I don't pay much attention to the media driven star system.
1) Sign the best players for your team.
2) Get as much press as you can.
I'm happy with the job Les does at LSU because he goes after the best players who fit into his team. He focuses heavily on character and chemistry along with skill. I've never seen him court the media which plays to LSU's favor most of the time. With the hits our program took losing Ryan Perriloux, Co-DC failure, no QB, Crowton failures the players and coaches exhibited great cohesiveness and commitment which delivered a nice 11-2 season. With the recent additions of recruits and new a new OC we are positioned for a nice run in 2011.
So no, I don't pay much attention to the media driven star system.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:56 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Tom Lugenbill is a joke and I will agree with that wholeheartedly.
Y'all do realize that ESPN and Rivals rankings almost mirror each other though?
Y'all do realize that ESPN and Rivals rankings almost mirror each other though?
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:02 am to deaux68
I don't think ESPN evaluations are that bad.
Their 2006 class.
Their 2006 class.
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1 Myron Rolle
2 Percy Harvin
3 Vidal Hazelton
4 Andre Smith
5 Matthew Stafford
6 DeMarco Murray
7 Sergio Kindle
8 Taylor Mays
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9 Micah Johnson
10 Antwine Perez
11 Maurice Evans
12 Mitch Mustain
13 Jevan Snead
14 Stafon Johnson
15 Tim Tebow
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:04 am to deaux68
Star ratings are a decent predictor on talent but the difference between #1 and#10 classes is sooooo small also stars dont gurantee performance look at uga
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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if coaching staffs didn't buy into kids with high star rankings, they'd never stock their cupboard with talent
look at the teams at the top of the star game, and look at how they've performed over the past 5 years
Coaches recruit, they don't keep hitting F5 on Rivals or Scout to see who the next big recruit is.
To paraphrase one of the greatest GMs of all time:
"What in the hell is Rivals.com, anyway? I mean, here's a site who criticizes everybody, whoever they sign. In my knowledge of the Recruiting Analysts, they have never even put on jockstraps, they have never been players, they've never been coaches, they've never been scouts, they've never been administrators, and all of a sudden, they're experts. Recruiting sites have no more credentials to do what they are doing doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor's a postman and he doesn't even have season tickets to College ball."
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 11:06 am
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:05 am to deaux68
... and each of those recruiting services has a different #1 ranked school. IMO, just mine alone, the services are a bit pageantry-oriented and possibly biased at times.
The coaches and their staffs know their needs better than an outside entity which would cause them to value a Rivals 3*as a 5* to their program. I'm sure coaches use some of the recruiting services info to keep up with the happenings in recruiting, but they use camps and attend games to do their recon. The recruiting services are cute and fun for the prospects and fans, but I think its another way to make $$$ more than anything. It sells college football.
Utah, Boise, and TCU have many Rivals/ESPN/Scout 3* recruits. Guess what big time programs they've beaten in recent years that are consistently loaded with 4* & 5* players?
The coaches and their staffs know their needs better than an outside entity which would cause them to value a Rivals 3*as a 5* to their program. I'm sure coaches use some of the recruiting services info to keep up with the happenings in recruiting, but they use camps and attend games to do their recon. The recruiting services are cute and fun for the prospects and fans, but I think its another way to make $$$ more than anything. It sells college football.
Utah, Boise, and TCU have many Rivals/ESPN/Scout 3* recruits. Guess what big time programs they've beaten in recent years that are consistently loaded with 4* & 5* players?
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 11:11 am
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:06 am to 225rumpshaker
I haven't looked, but based on the comments about ESPN, I am going to guess that they didn't rank LSU as highly as others so they must suck.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:08 am to deaux68
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Y'all do realize that ESPN and Rivals rankings almost mirror each other though?
Negative, they are way different
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:09 am to WDE24
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I haven't looked, but based on the comments about ESPN, I am going to guess that they didn't rank LSU as highly as others so they must suck.
Yes. But there are legit reasons to think they suck, they don't count JC guys, they put too much emphasis on their 150 list, etc.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:11 am to WDE24
Yea stars don't matter. It's a complete coincidence that the top 10 in college football usually looks a lot like the top 10 in the recruiting rankings. It's also a coincidence that there were what, 9 SEC schools in the top 25 of the recruiting rankings? It's not like the SEC is the best conference in college football or anything. 
You're insane if you can't see that there is a correlation between recruiting and top programs. Yes, there are exceptions, but if you give me a team full of 5 stars I will beat a team full of 3 stars 8 out of 10 times.
You're insane if you can't see that there is a correlation between recruiting and top programs. Yes, there are exceptions, but if you give me a team full of 5 stars I will beat a team full of 3 stars 8 out of 10 times.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 11:16 am to MattP598
If you're a bad coach.
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 11:17 am
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