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Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:15 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:15 pm to 14&Counting
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If they really want that campus lifestyle, then Tuscaloosa is 55 minutes away
you say that like all the students who attend UAB have the resources and/or the ability to go to Alabama or another university with a bigger athletic department. I'd dare to assume that a good number of the students who attend UAB couldn't get in Alabama or Auburn. And with Alabama taking more and more out of state students every year, the ability to go to an in-state school like that becomes much more difficult.
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:16 pm to lsufball19
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you say that like all the students who attend UAB have the resources and/or the ability to go to Alabama or another university with a bigger athletic department. I'd dare to assume that a good number of the students who attend UAB couldn't get in Alabama or Auburn.
You have a better chance of going to SPUAT if you live in Tennessee, Texas, or Georgia than you do if you live in Alabama.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:16 pm to 14&Counting
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UAB undergrad. has always been a commuter school. I.E. most undergrads are probably part time. If they really want that campus lifestyle, then Tuscaloosa is 55 minutes away
See this is where we see things differently. Alabama enrollment is growing and probably could not absorb all those in state who want to attend college.
Birmingham is the largest metro area in the state and tbh UAB would be a great undergraduate school (UAB has been slowly buying up the old buildings in Southside).
You are right about priorities with finite resources, but you also have to invest to get a return.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:17 pm to therick711
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That's great for all of the out-of-staters that make up most of the student population at SPUAT, but what about the in-state people who need a school that will actually try and educate the people of the state?
Doesn't UAB currently do that?...and do it quite well and effectively? Sorry they aren't getting the college experience they think they deserve because UAB won't be fielding a football team....but the in-staters are getting a great education at a very affordable cost.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:19 pm to 14&Counting
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Doesn't UAB currently do that?...and do it quite well and effectively? Sorry they aren't getting the college experience they think they deserve because UAB won't be fielding a football team....but the in-staters are getting a great education at a very affordable cost.
Wait, so you're going to argue that if people don't like UAB they can go to SPUAT, then when it is pointed out that they CAN'T actually go to SPUAT because it is too busy educating the professionals of Texas and Georgia, that UAB can go frick itself because it isn't entitled to be like Bama? Seriously?
Also, if it is about finite resources, why does the program that is for the benefit of the Texas, Georgia, and Tennessee students funded over the one that has a student body that actually represents the state?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:19 pm to higgs_boson
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You are right about priorities with finite resources, but you also have to invest to get a return
The University of Alabama system has invested, and I use that term loosely, a couple of hundred million in UAB football, how much do we have to spend
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:22 pm to therick711
Why are you barners so riled up about this? I would have expected you to be thankful that we helped solidify your grip on the second best football program in the state.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:22 pm to mattloc
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The University of Alabama system has invested, and I use that term loosely, a couple of hundred million in UAB football, how much do we have to spend
How much was invested in Fran, Dubose, Price, and Shula? If it was results based, SPUAT would have been defunded after Stallings left.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:23 pm to NorthGAVol
Bryant Jr. sounds like a real piece of shite. No surprise there.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:23 pm to mattloc
How did this become a discussion about taking a bunch of out of state kids?
Last time I checked Auburn is also an in-state, public school and has been taking a large chunk of out of state kids for a whole lot longer than Alabama has.
This whole discussion is a good one and one I actually have been making for a while re: the pitfalls of recruiting a whole lot of OOS kids. However, football at UAB has nothing to do with it.
Having "football" is not a requirement to have a close knit school with pride. UAB already has actual history in basketball. If they want something that their students and alumni will support they should take all of their football money and dump it into basketball.
Last time I checked Auburn is also an in-state, public school and has been taking a large chunk of out of state kids for a whole lot longer than Alabama has.
This whole discussion is a good one and one I actually have been making for a while re: the pitfalls of recruiting a whole lot of OOS kids. However, football at UAB has nothing to do with it.
Having "football" is not a requirement to have a close knit school with pride. UAB already has actual history in basketball. If they want something that their students and alumni will support they should take all of their football money and dump it into basketball.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yea, I agree. One is involved in "horse racing"
quote:Would you like me to link the article showing how one of little bear's companies was involve in insurance fraud, how one of his business partners got 15 years in the federal pen, and how some people think he avoided a similar fate only because of his last name?
which "sounds shady".
The other was Chairman of the Board of a $26B bank that failed due to $1B in fraudulent mortgages that ended up being the 6th largest bank failure in the history of the United States at the same time that he was on the AU BOT.
Yea, big difference.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:25 pm to therick711
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How much was invested in Fran, Dubose, Price, and Shula? If it was results based, SPUAT would have been defunded after Stallings left.
Alabama football is 100% self funding with most of the revenue going to other UA programs.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:26 pm to mattloc
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Alabama football is 100% self funding with most of the revenue going to other UA programs.
How is that at all responsive to the fact that if it was results based, Alabama should have been disbanded a long time ago?
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:26 pm to therick711
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Also, if it is about finite resources, why does the program that is for the benefit of the Texas, Georgia, and Tennessee students funded over the one that has a student body that actually represents the state?
UAT is trying to attract the best students it can. I believe the in-state student undergrad is something like 50% now? maybe slightly less?
Is it fair that every Texas student can't get into UT-Austin?...or every California student can't get into Cal-Berkely or UCLA?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:29 pm to 14&Counting
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I believe the in-state student undergrad is something like 50% now? maybe slightly less?
The most recent freshman classes had 40% in-staters as part of Robert Witt's "ambitious plan for academic growth and achievement." The fact that the plan for academic growth and achievement had to be get people not from Alabama is kind of funny.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:29 pm to therick711
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How is that at all responsive to the fact that if it was results based, Alabama should have been disbanded a long time ago?
Let me break it down for you:
Alabama football=good investment (50 million dollarprofit this year)
UAB football=poor investment (17.5 million dollar loss this year)
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:29 pm to auburnphan23
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Would you like me to link the article showing how one of little bear's companies was involve in insurance fraud, how one of his business partners got 15 years in the federal pen, and how some people think he avoided a similar fate only because of his last name?
I remember the case, remember it sounded bad but also remember reading that Bryant and Phelps denied any involvement and were not charged in any way.
I am not a huge fan of Bryant Jr. and would personally rather he step down from the BOT, but to act like he is anything other than the normal type of small state Unviersity BOT member is just laughable and has nothing to do with this UAB Football discussion.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:30 pm to mattloc
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Let me break it down for you:
So do you not understand what results-based means, or do you not understand that Alabama football was miserable over that time period?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:30 pm to therick711
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The most recent freshman classes had 40% in-staters. As part of Robert Witt's "ambitious plan for academic growth and achievement." The fact that the plan for academic growth and achievement had to be get people not from Alabama is kind of funny.
Same strategy Auburn has been using to get Metro Atlanta kids for 30 years. It's just been expanded to Dallas, Houston, Nashville, Orlando, DC, etc.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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just laughable
A phrase which applies to almost every one of that person's posts.
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