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re: I can see Arkansas and Texas A&M switching places in the SEC West

Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:51 pm to
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:51 pm to
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Bielema's offense will work at Arkansas.

He can't recruit the quality of player needed to line up and smash LSU, Bama, and AU again and again. With what A&M's recruiting he won't be able to do it against the Aggies either.

You needed another spread coach.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:52 pm to
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Bielema's offense will work at Arkansas.


How? You guys don't have access to the elite OL like Bama/UGA do. Heck, Florida couldn't make a system work that was similar to Bielema's.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:53 pm to
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You needed another spread coach.


Exactly. That's one of the great things about the spread is you don't need an elite OL like you do when you run a system like LSU,Bama, UGA.
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10400 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:53 pm to
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How quickly you pretend the results of games played by teams filled with different players coached by different coaches actually matters.


How quickly you believe that the turmoil caused by Petrino's ill-timed escapade is going to have an eternal effect on our program.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:53 pm to
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ou are not concerned with all the NFL talent and first round NFL picks yielding only a Cotton Bowl at best?


Um, did you see the Defense? Plus, in Sumlin's system that offense can easily reload most years.

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And he becomes one of the highest paid HCs after a Chic-Fil-A bowl?


Well deserved.

Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10400 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:55 pm to
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You guys don't have access to the elite OL like Bama/UGA do.


I see someone hasn't been following recruiting too well the last couple of years.

Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:55 pm to
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So you are not concerned with all the NFL talent and first round NFL picks yielding only a Cotton Bowl at best?


You mean the three players we had invited to the combine in 2014? All of whom played offense? Is that the abundance of talent you mean?

No. It's obvious that despite leading the league's best offense for the second year in a row, even those three couldn't consistently beat one defense enough to win big: theirs.

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And he becomes one of the highest paid HCs after a Chic-Fil-A bowl?

Either we make him one of the highest paid or USC does.

It's been a minute since Arkansas has had to fight off bluebloods to keep its coach. So I don't hold your lack of understanding against you.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:56 pm to
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QB's and OL mainly and RB actually (though he has done a great job of getting those)



Arkansas went from a top 10 in sacks given in 07 to bottom of the NCAAs from 08-12 to back to the top 10 in 13, actually giving up a school record low amount of sacks.

So this is a bad thing?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:59 pm to
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Exactly. That's one of the great things about the spread is you don't need an elite OL like you do when you run a system like LSU,Bama, UGA.



Houston Nutt was able to get the "elite" OLinmen to Arkansas.

CBB has as well.

Petrino? Not so much.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:00 pm to
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How quickly you believe that the turmoil caused by Petrino's ill-timed escapade is going to have an eternal effect on our program.

I don't think you'll remain winless for perpetuity.

Obviously I don't.

But without a brilliant coach like a Petrino Arkansas' win column is severely limited in this current landscape. On each side of you there resides recruiting juggernauts with bigger sticks to swing. And your home state is traditionally devoid of elite talent.

8 wins should be the benchmark going forward IMO. And I do consider that successful under the circumstances.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:01 pm to
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I see someone hasn't been following recruiting too well the last couple of years.


No I have. You guys have been well below average in the two years he has been there.

Also, young OL normally find it hard to contribute young.

I looked at your recruiting classes:

2014: 11th in the SEC.

Brian Wallace was a great pickup.


2013: 9th in the SEC.

What am I missing here?

Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40882 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:01 pm to
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How? You guys don't have access to the elite OL like Bama/UGA do. Heck, Florida couldn't make a system work that was similar to Bielema's.


Well we were 4th in the SEC in rushing last year with a patchwork OL and zero threat of a passing attack and our OL recruiting has actually been very solid. Between Pittman and the "Wisconsin system," we'll be able to run the ball very well going forward.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:02 pm to
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Arkansas went from a top 10 in sacks given in 07 to bottom of the NCAAs from 08-12 to back to the top 10 in 13, actually giving up a school record low amount of sacks.

Where did y'all rank in pass attempts, again?
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:02 pm to
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So this is a bad thing?


You guys gave up less/more sacks only due to scheme. Not hard to figure out. You guys didn't have a QB to throw with last year. I'm sure you also had the fewest attempts in years as well.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:02 pm to
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CBB has as well.


Really? Other than Brian Wallace who was elite?
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:04 pm to
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Well we were 4th in the SEC in rushing last year

Does it matter when you have one of the country's worst offenses?
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40882 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:04 pm to
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You guys gave up less/more sacks only due to scheme. Not hard to figure out.


You do realize that stat breaks down in to sacks per pass attempt as well to factor out the number of pass attempts being an issue.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40882 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:05 pm to
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Does it matter when you have one of the country's worst offenses?


It kind of does when his argument is that we won't be able to run the ball.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:05 pm to
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Well we were 4th in the SEC in rushing last year


5th.

Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10400 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:06 pm to
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But without a brilliant coach like a Petrino Arkansas' win column is severely limited in this current landscape.


Good lord, man! We were able to win quite a few games with Houston F'n Nutt, for gosh sakes! Houston Nutt!

Our home state has NEVER provided the nucleus of our roster, although we have had some elite homegrown talent.

This day and age, recruiting 'boundaries' are practically nonexistent, look at some of our recruits/commits: Hawaii to New Jersey, Australia to Norway, Louisiana to Minnesota, Florida to California.

However, we will get the majority of homegrown talent and get a few from Texas, Louisiana, and Florida as our 'basis'.
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