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re: I can see Arkansas and Texas A&M switching places in the SEC West

Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:33 pm to
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:33 pm to
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wait, is it true Sumlin didn't recruit Keenum or Manziel?

So what are you suggesting here?

That he can't recruit elite QBs?

Because he's obviously developed them.

So it must be that he can't recruit them. But then you consider that he's on the cusp of signing two five star QBs in consecutive classes--one of which was the country's best. So then your implication crumbles on itself.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:35 pm to
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the Longhorns also stockpile talent every year, that always translates to success.

So because Mack Brown acquired an ability to squander a massive amount of talent, it follows that the same will hold true with Sumlin?

Why?
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:35 pm to
Didn't he recruit Sam Bradford at OK?
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:36 pm to
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How quickly you forget aTm's record against Arkansas. Like nothing before the last two years ever existed...

How quickly you pretend the results of games played by teams filled with different players coached by different coaches actually matters.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40882 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:37 pm to
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So because Mack Brown acquired an ability to squander a massive amount of talent, it follows that the same will hold true with Sumlin?

Why?


You can question hypothetical statements like this but then say Bielema is a terrible coach because of one season with probably our worst talent level in 15-20 years.

Makes sense.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 8:38 pm
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:38 pm to
I don't know. He was on staff when Sam signed, but he may not have recruited him.

Regardless, he's worked with guys like Bledsoe, Brees, White, Bradford, Keenum, and JFF.

He just sort of keeps lucking his way into all these great QBs.

It's just wild.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:39 pm to
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Didn't he recruit Sam Bradford at OK?



No.

All OU had to do was offer to land Bradford.

Bradford wasn't a highly rated recruit either...
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:40 pm to
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You can question hypothetical statements like this but then say Bielema is a terrible coach because of one season with probably our worst talent level in 15-20 years.

If I had said he's terrible you may have a point.

I know this: When you actually analyze his Big 10 record, he's not the coach Arkansas likes to pretend he is.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:42 pm to
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I know this: When you actually analyze his CON-USA record, he's not the coach aggy likes to pretend he is.



Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:42 pm to
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You can question hypothetical statements like this but then say Bielema is a terrible coach because of one season with probably our worst talent level in 15-20 years.


Petrino would have won with them.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:43 pm to
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He just sort of keeps lucking his way into all these great QBs.

It's just wild.


Fantastic coach/QB guru. Great system as well.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:43 pm to
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Petrino would have won with them.



Winning as defined by Charlie Sheen?
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:44 pm to
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All OU had to do was offer to land Bradford.

Bradford wasn't a highly rated recruit either...


My point being Sumlin recruited/coached him up. Yet another success story for him. Thanks for helping my point.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:44 pm to
Why are we not focusing on the fact Bielema is putting a round peg in a square hole?
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:45 pm to
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Winning as defined by Charlie Sheen?


Winning games. It's not even debatable that Petrino would have won more games than Bielema.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:47 pm to
Dale, my precious boy. You're confused.

I'm not seeking shelter in Sumlin's previous accomplishments. I don't have to. I know that's the default defense mechanism for Arkansas but you need to disentangle your pigs from my Ags.

At this point--and as far as I'm concerned--Sumlin could've pulled a Bert and gone winless at UH in 2011. I wouldn't care.

This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 8:50 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:49 pm to
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Why are we not focusing on the fact Bielema is putting a round peg in a square hole?



He is?

Are you saying this based on the lack of QBs and WRs on the roster he inherited?
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40882 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:49 pm to
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Why are we not focusing on the fact Bielema is putting a round peg in a square hole?


Bielema's offense will work at Arkansas. It's the defense that is the issue. He's not going to win unless they fix the massive issues in the back seven.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:51 pm to
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Are you saying this based on the lack of QBs and WRs on the roster he inherited?


QB's and OL mainly and RB actually (though he has done a great job of getting those)
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:51 pm to
So you are not concerned with all the NFL talent and first round NFL picks yielding only a Cotton Bowl at best?

And he becomes one of the highest paid HCs after a Chic-Fil-A bowl?

If that was my HC's resume, I would be.
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