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Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:18 pm to Gator5220
He doesn't know. In fact he doesn't even know what he is commenting on half the time. Just posts shite.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:19 pm to Gator5220
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What's this have to do with HUNH?
It's an example of a new rule being implemented under the guise of player safety, when in reality it's an advantage for the offense.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:23 pm to Gator5220
What kind of injuries are caused by a HUNH?
Exhaustion? Is that an injury now?
I mean screw helmet-to-helmet and targeting, the real problem that needs to be addressed is what to do when the other team exploits being in better shape than your team.
Exhaustion? Is that an injury now?
I mean screw helmet-to-helmet and targeting, the real problem that needs to be addressed is what to do when the other team exploits being in better shape than your team.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:25 pm to Stonehog
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It's an example of a new rule being implemented under the guise of player safety, when in reality it's an advantage for the offense.
It is an advantage but at least you have years of evidence showing injuries at the pro and college levels from players getting decapitated coming across the middle of the field.
You don't have that with HUNH. Not even close.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:36 pm to Stonehog
They get it. It a about self preservation. There is one team, LSU, that can match then physcially year in and year out. The only other teams to beat threm are HUNH.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:38 pm to SBC
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:40 pm to SBC
I really don't care if they pass it or not, but at least be honest about why you support it.
I'd rather see them make the facemask off limits to everyone, not just the defense before they tackle the HUNH.
I'd rather see them make the facemask off limits to everyone, not just the defense before they tackle the HUNH.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:42 pm to Stonehog
This player safety angle really was the wrong way to go about this. Getting the rule adopted really is a simple argument.
HUNH bread and butter is speeding up the pace of the game between tackle and the point when the ball is placed in play. It is NOT the actual speed in which they do snap the ball, but it is the speed in which the snap can happen. This is the substitution advantage. They will then find a matchup advantage and exploit it over and over. It's smart football under the framework when refs are complicit.
However, just bc it's smart does not mean it's fair. If you are on the "it's fair" side, answer these questions:
1). Who controls the ball after a tackle and before the ball is placed and set?
2) Which team should be able to influence the pace in which the refs do their jobs?
3) If you think the offense can make the pace faster by handing the ball to the ref and running quickly to the line, are you okay with giving the defense a chance to counter by sitting on the ball or a tackled player in a effort to slow down ref pace?
Answering those questions honestly will make you realize that the offense is impacting game pace during a period that neither should he able to. I'd prefer the NCAA make this a point of emphasis for the officiating crews and have them control the pace through consistent pace bt tackle and set, but if it takes a rule for this process to be objective and fair, so be it. Offenses will just have to adapt.
HUNH bread and butter is speeding up the pace of the game between tackle and the point when the ball is placed in play. It is NOT the actual speed in which they do snap the ball, but it is the speed in which the snap can happen. This is the substitution advantage. They will then find a matchup advantage and exploit it over and over. It's smart football under the framework when refs are complicit.
However, just bc it's smart does not mean it's fair. If you are on the "it's fair" side, answer these questions:
1). Who controls the ball after a tackle and before the ball is placed and set?
2) Which team should be able to influence the pace in which the refs do their jobs?
3) If you think the offense can make the pace faster by handing the ball to the ref and running quickly to the line, are you okay with giving the defense a chance to counter by sitting on the ball or a tackled player in a effort to slow down ref pace?
Answering those questions honestly will make you realize that the offense is impacting game pace during a period that neither should he able to. I'd prefer the NCAA make this a point of emphasis for the officiating crews and have them control the pace through consistent pace bt tackle and set, but if it takes a rule for this process to be objective and fair, so be it. Offenses will just have to adapt.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:43 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:44 pm to shakermaker
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2) Which team should be able to influence the pace in which the refs do their jobs?
The offense. They have the ball they should set the pace. Some teams like a fast pace, some prefer a slow pace. It's strategery.
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3) If you think the offense can make the pace faster by handing the ball to the ref and running quickly to the line, are you okay with giving the defense a chance to counter by sitting on the ball or a tackled player in a effort to slow down ref pace?
I'm OK with giving each team 3 timeouts per half to use as they wish to impact game play.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:54 pm to Gator5220
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The offense. They have the ball they should set the pace. Some teams like a fast pace, some prefer a slow pace. It's strategery.
The defense has every bit the opportunity to snap the football before it is set for play as the offense does - which is 0 chance. The time between a tackle and the set is ref time. Refs are there to be objective, not cater to either teams strategy. Strategy should be based on what a team is capable of when the ball is live, not dead. When your strategy involves influencing dead time, it's unfair.
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I'm OK with giving each team 3 timeouts per half to use as they wish to impact game play.
As am I. I'd just prefer those be used when you are getting whipped during live time instead of dead time.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 12:57 pm to N97883
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If player safety was important, we'd get rid of kickoff and punt returns because we can prove injuries happen there...
I fear that will happen in time. The NFL is slowly trying to get rid of them, the NCAA will follow suit.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:13 pm to memphis tiger
If saban had never left LSU, bama fans would be against the rule change and LSU fans would be for the rules change
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:13 pm to N97883
quote:Deliberately over exhausting defensive players is dangerous for the following reason (as anyone who has actually played football at any level should understand). First, playing on defense is more physically and mentality demanding than offense due to not knowing the play and having to read and react. The cumulative effect of a series of snaps is more taxing on the d than the o. Defeating a block is harder than setting a block when you know where the play is going, defending a route is more difficult than running a route, etc.. Proper technique is what allows defensive players to tackle without hurting themselves or others. Deliberately over exhausting defensive players causes technique and focus to suffer, making it more likely that a defensive player will make a dangerous tackle that they would not make if they were not exhausted.
What kind of injuries are caused by a HUNH?
Exhaustion? Is that an injury now?
I mean screw helmet-to-helmet and targeting, the real problem that needs to be addressed is what to do when the other team exploits being in better shape than your team.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:15 pm to shakermaker
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The time between a tackle and the set is ref time.
I don't support the refs delaying the game by 10 seconds on every play.
When a play is finished the ref should spot the ball as quickly as possible so the offense can run whatever style of offense they wish.
If the defense doesn't like it they can stop play with one of their three timeouts and regroup.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:23 pm to RTR America
Saban nees to man up, this is making him look like a whiney little bitch.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:23 pm to memphis tiger
After the rule change we'll see gumps re-writing history and denying everything. Gumpdom in its full glory.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:25 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I really dont give a frick either way but I think it is funny that people are melting so hard over this. This and the Evans thing have been meltdown gold.
The fact your head football coach has had the ultimate melt on a national stage and is being crushed for it by virtually everyone except some fat loser in Arkansas has certainly been gold.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:40 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:I couldn't have said it better!
I really dont give a frick either way but I think it is funny that people are melting so hard over this. This and the Evans thing have been meltdown gold.
Hell, I hope it doesn't pass because I've got Auburn friends who'd consider joining Al Qaeda and leading a death fatwa against Saban if it does. 
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