re: "Hugh Freeze Manages to Take and Shed Responsibility in One Nonapology"

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But back to Tunsil, if we gave him 200-400k then why did he need $300 for a light bill? Use logic

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If his mother can't afford her light bill then how the hell did she pack all of her shite up and move to Oxford?


Use logic

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Where OM is different is that you are getting kids on NSD that you've never been in play for in the past.

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And your sole argument to defend this is assuming OM got those kids because they bought them... Then why the frick do they not get the majority or all the kids if we are the only school paying them? If we aren't, then paying them has no validity on why a kid chose said school.

I can't argue with someone who thinks their program is the only clean one in college football. I can't argue with someone who can't see how a 4 year investigation with the a guy who solicited money turned up zero pay for play, and how that equates to "well there you go, now we know how they got dem players".

There's two sides of the faith coin. One that because OM has never done what they are doing before, they have to be cheating. The other being we never had the #1 player in the country's brother before, we were the only ones willing to offer Tunsil's brother a full ride, and we had treadwells best friend on the team. So did little OM outbid everyone for these guys but not for Lawson, Daniels, Barbor, Jones, and the countless othwers we missed out on? Or does everyone offer kids money and in the end, the kid chooses which situation is better for them, not their bank accounts?

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Well guess what, the NCAA doesn't have thresholds for monetary infractions and related penalties. UM will be punished for the action, not the dollar amount.

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No one is arguing the severity of the penalty. Freeze gets riled up as do I by the fact of thinking associAted with the blatant allegations. Only one level 1 violation had anything to do with Freeze and his staff and it was a FCA guy driving kids to games, yet he is forever labeled a cheater and only because of his success and his faith. No one is saying shite about Nutt because they aren't losing to him even though the NOA vilified him and his staff for much more, and for things that are actually important, academic fraud.

The FCA guy...

Walter Hughes told Ole Miss coaches from the get-go that he wouldn’t be their “sugar daddy” for recruiting football players in Memphis.

So what exactly does this mean, and how does this conversation even get started? Did the coaches ask him to be a "sugar daddy", or did he just toss that into a normal conversation?

OM Coach: Hey, Walter. How are things going?
Walter: I am not going to be your sugar daddy for recruiting football players in Memphis.
OM Coach: OK. Good to know.

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So you're saying that kids with zero ties to other programs are turning down 10k-200k to play for LSU? And we are the unrealistic ones? Did you watch Godchaux commit? Good lord

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See. Here's the problem. You aren't on LSU's level. You think you are. You think you are elite. You are nothing more then the second smallest school in the SEC. Your last "championship" was awarded by Confederate Homes & Gardens when black players weren't even allowed on your team. And y'all had to mortgage everything in the world to keep from getting beat by Mullen a 4th time in a row. You did all this cheating to try and keep up with us

I don't understand how Freeze and company lied to the players up to NSD. Freeze knew what was in the NOA then, or was the time table off and he did not know. The coaches have to use logic when x number of players are in brand new cars. I mean they are broke college kids, they can not afford it. But Freeze just looks the other way. I know all schools cheat, but damn Ole Miss said come at us bro, and well the NCAA did.

And on the matter of the big payments NO ONE wants that to be out. If X player was paid 100k to play for any school and it was not reported to the IRS. That is a whole new level of rule breaking brought to you by the federal govt.

I think you missed the point. I highly doubt Ole Miss or anyone else is paying every player. I'm not sure how you missed that.

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We fessed up to it because the reason this OM is under the radar... Laremy Tunsil chose OM... His stepfather.. The guy who was soliciting money from boosters... Is the NCAA's snitch. He told the NCAA about the loaner cars and that a booster gave him $800.

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I guess, to borrow from you, logic tells me that if you did it for him then you likely did it for others. Since he's the only one cooperating, he's the only one you have to fess up to. You (specifically, but also "you" meaning Ole Miss), seem to think this was isolated to one player. Most of the rest of us feel that to be "illogical" thinking. You think this ONE booster was giving money to this ONE player? Get real. This ONE is what they can prove.

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But back to Tunsil, if we gave him 200-400k

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Where has anyone said that? I certainly don't think you gave him that kind of money. I think it was more likely in the $10K range and then frequent payments during his time there.

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why did he need $300 for a light bill?

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You still think it was for the light bill? You think it was a one time deal?

let's assume with your premise that if he was paid a ton then his mother wouldn't need money for a light bill...1) why do lotto winners go bankrupt at disproportionate rates? (don't know how to manage new found funds) and 2) if Ole Miss has proven they'd pay him once, what in the world would keep momma and step dad from coming back from more whenever they felt like it?

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I can't argue with someone who thinks their program is the only clean one in college football.

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Then you can argue with me all day, bc I am under no such illusion. I know Bama (like all other schools) isn't clean. We just aren't as dirty as Ole Miss.

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I can't argue with someone who can't see how a 4 year investigation with the a guy who solicited money turned up zero pay for play, and how that equates to "well there you go, now we know how they got dem players".

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Do you feel that Cam's dad solicited money from State and then went to AU for free? If you do, awesome. He may have. If you found it hard to believe he did that back in 2010 (even though NCAA found no evidence to suggest payment), then you should be able to understand how people find your current excuse hard to believe.

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Did the FCA guy drive prospects to other universities

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Yeah. He did. frick you.