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re: How the SEC destroyed S.Miss and could Kill football
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:37 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:37 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Quick quiz: Last mid-major to win a national title in basketball, GO
Villanova in the 1980's?
ETA: Just looked it up, and I was wrong. 'Nova did win in 1985, but two other mid-majors* have won since then.
*One of them is no longer a mid-major, but was at the time they won.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 11:42 am
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:43 am to Bham4Tide
quote:This. When I saw how long the article was, no way was I spending that much time reading about Southern Miss. Who cares
I got through about 1/2 of this and asked myself: Why am I reading this shite? I couldn't come up with a good answer to why I wasted 2 minutes of my day on it.
I want those minutes back .
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:05 pm to DCRebel
The answer is UMASS (2002). Before that, UNLV (1990).
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:08 pm to auburnphan23
USM was doing OK before the downfall, but they were kind of the smart kid in the dumb class. They would have been at or very near the bottom of any P5 conference. They act like they were peers of Bama and LSU before Johnson arrived. Reality was that they were splitting home and home games with Kansas.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:10 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Maryland won in 2002.
This.
Villanova was member of the Big East when they won. The Big East was WAY better than every other major conference at that time.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:28 pm to AlaTiger
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This article is 100% right - from a smaller school perspective. The greed of the SEC and the other elite conferences will end up destroying college football as we have known it. It will be good for the SEC but bad for everyone else. From his view, I get what he is saying.
Plus, the writer did blame their horrible coach, Ellis Johnson. Everyone can't be Alabama and Saban's opposition to the HUNH is a joke.
The article is written from a smaller college perspective and there are valid concerns here. Of course, SEC fans won't like it because it messes with their dominance. But, in every other sport, mid-major programs can field competitive teams. Not in college football, however, where all of the power is being collected at the top schools.
That will ultimately be bad for the game. If you don't have schools like Southern Miss and Troy and Memphis able to be at least somewhat competitive, then interest is lost in those programs. There actually is more to college football than who wins the national championship.
This...
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:38 pm to AUjim
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AUjim
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So....one guy, Ellis Johnson, COMPLETELY DESTROYED A FOOTBALL PROGRAM in less than 12 months? Ok. Sounds legit.
Yep. Your boy Ellis did it. 2 year contract was guaranteed regardless of his record, so instead of coaching, he sat at home with his PYT watching Little Einstein with his kids.
Why in the hell would Gus hire a second defensive coordinator within a day of hiring ol' Ellis?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:00 pm to Bill Parker?
UMASS has never won the NCAA tournament. They did make the FF under Cal but (naturally) it got vacated due to infractions.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:03 pm to gatorprincess815
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To open this year, Southern Miss lost, 49-0, to Mississippi State, against whom the Golden Eagles have an all-time winning record
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:21 pm to gatorprincess815
The Grade C teams bitching, who cares. They could all disappear tomorrow and nobody would care.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:14 pm to Allyn McKeen
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Maryland won in 2002.
This.
Villanova was member of the Big East when they won. The Big East was WAY better than every other major conference at that time.
Oh, then the answer is UNLV in 1990. I guess I forgot to think of the Big East as a non mid-major.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:44 pm to Rickety Cricket
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And they got what they deserved
derp
How did an entire fanbase get what it deserved? The only person who supported Bower out as head coach was AD Giannini, who idiotically had expansion dreams/higher ticker prices dancing in his head even though they rarely sold out at The Rock.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:10 pm to Patton
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What greed.
Really? What greed? Have you been paying attention since 1992?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:12 pm to auburnphan23
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no way was I spending that much time reading about Southern Miss
Because they are indicative of smaller programs that are getting squeezed out by the power programs with semi-autonomous ADs that contribute nothing to universities and function as an NFL minor league.
Jesus Christ some of you people come across as basically thoughtless.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:02 pm to DCRebel
Conference wise UNLV may have been mid-major, but that program was a powerhouse going back to the late 70's. They were big time. They were cheating their arses off, but they won big. Played big time programs all the time, and went to three Final Fours.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:11 pm to msudawg1200
Mid majors wasn't such a big deal back in the day in b-ball.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:12 pm to TxTiger82
USM, back in the day before they got moved off the schedule, were hell on wheels against their fellow Miss. opponents. I am not saying this to denigrate either Ole Miss or MSU. Both programs had historically dominated USM but in the years before the two SEC schools dropped USM the Golden Eagles had been tapping that arse.
Not joking or poking fun at Ole Miss or MSU here. Southern Miss had turned into a buzzsaw against them. It happens.
It was a different era for college football and Southern Miss being the biggest school in state actually had a recruiting advantage of sorts over their instate rivals. It obviously did not work out long term for Southern Miss. Now Ole Miss and MSU can lay legitimate claim to being good teams in the toughest conference in college football.
If anything it speaks to the success MSU and Ole Miss have enjoyed recently that they are both good teams in the toughest conference and with a legitimate mid major power (when they aren't in a state of complete collapse) lurking in state to battle them for recruits.
TLDR; I don't think its a matter of offensive scheme that dismantled Southern Miss. They had really bad luck with coaches while their instate rivals have been impressive lately. As MSU proved recently Southern Miss is clearly a tier or two below Ole Miss and MSU right now.
Not joking or poking fun at Ole Miss or MSU here. Southern Miss had turned into a buzzsaw against them. It happens.
It was a different era for college football and Southern Miss being the biggest school in state actually had a recruiting advantage of sorts over their instate rivals. It obviously did not work out long term for Southern Miss. Now Ole Miss and MSU can lay legitimate claim to being good teams in the toughest conference in college football.
If anything it speaks to the success MSU and Ole Miss have enjoyed recently that they are both good teams in the toughest conference and with a legitimate mid major power (when they aren't in a state of complete collapse) lurking in state to battle them for recruits.
TLDR; I don't think its a matter of offensive scheme that dismantled Southern Miss. They had really bad luck with coaches while their instate rivals have been impressive lately. As MSU proved recently Southern Miss is clearly a tier or two below Ole Miss and MSU right now.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:14 pm to AlaTiger
What the article fails to illuminate is that Larry Fedora knew he was leaving NOTHING for the next coach coming in. All the kids that wanted to play D1 that usually went to USM could now go to USA and Troy. Fedora stopped recruiting because he knew he was gone after 2011. Blaming all this shite on Johnson is stupid. He had nothing to do with the shite hole USM was when he arrived. Add to that millions of dollars missing from general athletic fund and you can say several people raped that program dry on the way out the door. This was SWAC-level accountability at this point.
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